@applejack @matrix that should be KHTML

@anornymorse @matrix there's always NetSurf, it has its own rendering engine

@coldacid @matrix might be interesting to pair it up with V8 or something and see how it handles http://wpt.live/acid/acid3/test.html

@anornymorse @matrix given the primary audience for NetSurf are retrocomputers, doubt that would work well

@coldacid @matrix a solid engine is a solid engine. Especially one that outputs directly to SDL or other framebuffer.

@anornymorse @matrix it's not solid if the computer you're running it on doesn't have the power or resources to run it properly

@coldacid @matrix were you around for the massive jump in resources required when transitioning from Netscape 4.x to Mozilla Seamonkey/Netscape 5? There was a trend of "We can absorb CPU debt because Moore's Law lasts forever" that happened alongside AOL buying everything; Literally every library became 2x-8x more bloated during this transition, because cpu cycles stopped mattering. People that weren't upgrading their systems to play Mario64 on UltraHLE were upgrading them because suddenly, everything required exponentially more RAM.

There's no reason at all that NetSurf can't be extended through a few if/else statements to see if the missing javascript engine and/or dom are residing in a module somewhere, so older systems don't lose functionality or support. it'd be nice to have small apps that did a thing well, and worked with other apps that did the same. KHTML has become a monster.

@anornymorse @matrix well NetSurf already has its own DOM library and there is a JS library somewhere in the source code that just isn't turned on. The important thing to note though is that NetSurf isn't likely to ever support ultramodern 2010s+ internet, nor should it -- JS itself is a monster these days and honestly we were better off before every site became a JS and CSS bloated monstrosity.

@coldacid @matrix I remember saying similar stuff about khtml before apple created the beast.

@anornymorse @matrix @coldacid Reminds of jwz sometimes calling netscape the antichrist.

@fluffy @matrix

all browsers are shit though