Now that Smash Bros compeditive scene is cancelled forever due to rampant pedophilia its time for a different retro fighter to take its place on the Evo stage
@dielan are esports just fucked with this kind of shit

@wowaname @dielan I can't tell who's worse: speedrunners or tourneyfags.

@xianc78 @dielan the speedrunners i watch dont get into dumb shit. meanwhile as much as i like people such as mang0, he and pretty much everyone else in smash have undeniably built a reputation with the outside world. maybe not paedophile levels in many cases, but they tend to lose respect and credibility all the same
@xianc78 @dielan maybe melee is less degen? idk i dont keep up with the others in smash
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Melee is the heart of smash community degeneracy actually
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@dielan @wowaname @xianc78 The big pedo names were mostly linked to Smash 4/Ultimate. There were a few smaller Melee names who had baggage unearthed, but nothing compared to the big Smash 4 names who got hit.
@ArdanianRight @dielan @wowaname @xianc78 Melee players and fans on the other hand stand out in terms of being elitist assholes in general: Exhibit A, Leffen.
@ChristiJunior @dielan @wowaname @xianc78 Melee players are degenerate in their own way. Imagine if it were standard for everyone in your friend circle to have a CRT in their car at all times.

@ArdanianRight @wowaname @ChristiJunior @dielan Imagine being forced to only play as Fox, Falco, Jigglypuff, or the Fire Emblem characters all on Final Destination. I find it ironic that Sakurai never intended Smash to be a competitive game and it's the most competitive game out there. I understand why he regrets making Melee.

@xianc78 @ArdanianRight @wowaname @dielan I also don't get Melee fans acting like Nintendo somehow owes them for showcasing a dead game, on a dead console, that Nintendo no longer cares about and that doesn't show off any of the new characters or games that Nintendo DOES care about. All Melee does is drain attention and players away from the competitive scenes of newer Smash games, and since competitive Melee is so autistic and grindy, competitive Melee players are often Melee-only.

Smash Ultimate player Salem got a lot of shit for saying that Melee elitists aren't Smash fans, but I'd argue he was right: Being obsessed with Melee and hating the majority of Smash games doesn't make you a Smash fan.
@ChristiJunior @xianc78 @ArdanianRight @dielan nintendo neglecting an old game makes sense but they definitely go out of their way to shit on community mods and emulators and all this other shit, just to preserve their precious brand. isnt specific to smash but its definitely something i dont like seeing them do
@wowaname @ArdanianRight @dielan @xianc78 They should just make their retro content legally available, that's what really pisses me off. The Switch should have pretty much all the major first party N64, GameCube and Wii games available through the Virtual Console by now, but instead we got got the Stinky NSO NES nostalgia service.

That's my only shred of sympathy for the Melee crowd, Nintendo absolutely could and should have made Melee available on the Switch by now.

@ChristiJunior @wowaname @ArdanianRight @dielan I believe that's what they really want. They want a native HD port of the game so it could look better when played on big screens without the delays you get from upscaling. I don't know how they set their consoles up during these events but I guess this is why they want it.

@xianc78 @wowaname @ArdanianRight @dielan And Melee HD would probably sell millions, given how successful that half-assed Mario 3D All Stars proved to be. I understand the frustration there.

@ChristiJunior @wowaname @ArdanianRight @dielan But Nintendo won't make it because it's clear they don't like these tournaments unless they get a cut from them.

@xianc78 @wowaname @ArdanianRight @dielan It's worse - they're ridiculously stingy about their retro content in general. Which is why you can play Final Fantasy VII on the Switch, but not Ocarina of Time. Resident Evil 4 is on the console, but not Paper Mario: TTYD. You can play Skyrim on the console, but not Mario Galaxy 2. And on it goes.
@ChristiJunior @xianc78 @dielan @wowaname Why the fuck is their current system worse than the eShop on the fucking Wii?

@ArdanianRight @wowaname @ChristiJunior @dielan It's because they realized that they could make more money with Limited Edition re-releases like that Super Mario 3D All Stars or consoles like the NES Classic Edition.

@xianc78 @ArdanianRight @wowaname @dielan The NES Classic really proved to be a terrible thing. I can't even blame Nintendo for that, they themselves didn't expect that blind nostalgia would count for so much more than value or convenience, hence why they initially undershipped it.
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@ChristiJunior @wowaname @ArdanianRight @dielan They needed something to sell during the 2016 holiday season as the Wii U was pretty much dead at that point and the 3DS couldn't cut it as portable gaming is more of a niche now. But the NES and SNES Classic has unintentionally created a new retro gaming craze. Genesis, PS1, and Turbo-Grafx-16 got mini consoles and now you are seeing mini-arcade cabinets (which are garbage) in places like Wal-Mart and Target.

This has apparently become much more profitable than selling ROMs on an online service.

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