Rasterman
@xianc78 @Jdogg247 Hey, man, if that's the way it gotta be, it's the way it gotta be. :reggiefilsaime:
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Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker :verified: - https://the-mad-pirate-prints.teemill.com/
@rasterman @xianc78 @Jdogg247 That's why I prefer Laissez Faire and Social Darwinism better. If you are a moron who is not able to produce anything of value, you should be left with no safety network so you paid the full price of your own fuck ups. If you die because of your own bad decisions, so be it.
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Rasterman
@TheMadPirate @Jdogg247 @xianc78 Well, I don't like Laissez Faire for a different reason; but I agree with that aspect of it.
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Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker :verified: - https://the-mad-pirate-prints.teemill.com/
@rasterman @Jdogg247 @xianc78 Laissez Faire does not implies leaving a country borderless, only Lolbertardians argue such nonsense.
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xianc78

@TheMadPirate @Jdogg247 @rasterman
>only Lolbertardians argue such nonsense.
Look up Hoppeanism and covenant communities.

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Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker :verified: - https://the-mad-pirate-prints.teemill.com/
@xianc78 @Jdogg247 @rasterman I am this : https://polcompball.fandom.com/wiki/Libertarian_Conservatism
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xianc78

@TheMadPirate @Jdogg247 @rasterman You don't even need a centralized state to enforce "socially conservative values":
polcompball.fandom.com/wiki/Ho

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Rasterman
@xianc78 @TheMadPirate @Jdogg247 That sounds cool until you add the anarchy aspect.
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xianc78

@rasterman @Jdogg247 @TheMadPirate Anarchy only sounds bad until you realize that the government is basically the mafia on a continental scale.

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Rasterman
@xianc78 @Jdogg247 @TheMadPirate No, I don't even fully disagree with that. The problem is that an anarchist society won't survive past any other organised society attacking it.

It's just observable across the ages in any society, anywhere. You might say "we can't just have nice things".
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@rasterman @Jdogg247 @TheMadPirate My ideal ancap society would be far away from any nation for that reason. Which is why I'm pretty sure Elon Musk is secretly an ancap and wants his Mars colony independent from any government. I kind of agree with this ideology as well (minus the socialist aspect of course):
polcompball.fandom.com/wiki/An

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Rasterman
@xianc78 @Jdogg247 @TheMadPirate That's precisely why it doesn't work in practise, but yes, I think that could be the one case where it works.

However, lemme hand you a blackpill prediction: the Mars colony would go similarly to how the Dutch colony in South Africa went: first the Mars colonists will settle down and fight some spear-wielding Native Martians and everything will be OK. Then, China, Russia or the US government will settle a few kilometres nearby and it will all be OK. Then, one day they'll go "you are a part of our region, 'mkay?" And if the Martian colony refuses, there will be a war and the government will have more resources to win and *bang*, the Elon Musk statue in Elon Square gets toppled like Saddam's was in Iraq. :pepesad:
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@rasterman @xianc78 @Jdogg247 Where there are resources to be exploited, there will be governments trying to conquer the land to acquire them.
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@rasterman @Jdogg247 That's why the first order of business is building an orbital defense. No one else gets to land.
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Rasterman
@judgedread @Jdogg247 Sounds like it'd be quite the challenge for a small colony to overcome; but it'd make for good sci-fi.
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Judge Dread :verified:
@rasterman @Jdogg247 Seed Mars orbit with black body shrapnel swarms that only you know the location of.

If Mars needs a Minister of War I'm available.
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Rasterman
@judgedread @Jdogg247 I don't even know what that is. Pics or didn't happen.
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Judge Dread :verified:
@rasterman To defend Mars use 'space junk' as a weapon.
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Rasterman
@judgedread I think I saw something similar in The Matrix. It backfired; but anyway, the colony would have to dispose all their trash to space in order to generate enough crap to protect the atmosphere. This sounds less feasible than a Death Star.
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Judge Dread :verified:
@rasterman You don't understand any of the basic concepts involved. Junk does not mean trash in this context, it is an analogy to the accidental pollution of Earth orbit.
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Rasterman
@judgedread I'd say that I don't care I'm not familiar with whatever Star Trek stuff you are saying, but then again, we're talking about a hypothetical colony on Mars, so I'm a willing participant in inviting make-believe into the conversation.

OK, whatever. Let's wait and see how Elon Musk protects his Mars city.
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