@xianc78 The JVM is probably the second-most optimized piece of software on the planet. I'm not a huge fan of Java anymore but I remain a JVM fan.

@Moon @xianc78 what's the first, do you think?

@jeffcliff @xianc78 the v8 JavaScript engine.

@Moon @xianc78 @jeffcliff i'd take a vote for postgreSQL instead

@pleb @jeffcliff @xianc78 Oracle DB is more optimized than PostgreSQL. I'm not trying to start a flame war. I would use PostgreSQL over Oracle almost every time.

@Moon @pleb @jeffcliff @xianc78 where would you prefer oracle

@fluffy @jeffcliff @pleb @xianc78 past a certain size people migrate systems to nosql for speed reasons, but if you are tied strongly to a relational database I think you can get the most performance out of Oracle. I'm not an expert, it's just my opinion based on experience working with Oracle experts.

@Moon @xianc78 @jeffcliff @fluffy they did their job well then.

@pleb @fluffy @jeffcliff @xianc78 I would still rather use PostgreSQL, it's a top-tier piece of software. absolute speed is just one metric of value.

@Moon @pleb @xianc78 i'm guessing there's some sha256 libraries out there that are *really* optimized

but i guess it comes down to what optimized means

h hours of human brain study is one approximation but there's probably some code that's had a lot of student brains and not a lot of 1000x programmer brain time.

@Moon It doesn't surprise me that it's still used for internal software. It's still the preferred language at my college, but I hate it. C# is much better IMO and it's one of the few things Microsoft got right.

@xianc78 @Moon
C# may be a good language but until recently the ecosystem was very proprietary and MS-centric AFAIK.
Java ecosystem is much more open from my experience.

@wolf480pl @Moon Mono has been around since 2004 and .NET is pretty much open-source now. C# still seems to be frowned upon in the FOSS community because Microsoft can still fuck with the language whenever they want, but if you don't care about that and just want to make games it's a pretty good language for just that.

@xianc78 @Moon I'm not talking about the language itself, more about third party libraries. What are the top web frameworks for .NET? What are the top ORMs for .NET? Are they open-source?

@wolf480pl @Moon ASP.NET and Entity Framework are both open source now. As for third-party stuff, Blazor and DotNetNuke are open-source web frameworks for .NET.