The real question is how it would be implemented:
1. Technically banned but no one cares, everyone uses a VPN
2. 1984 hellscape with secret police looking in your windows and your neighbors writing reports on you
1. Technically banned but no one cares, everyone uses a VPN
2. 1984 hellscape with secret police looking in your windows and your neighbors writing reports on you
@cjd making pornography more difficult to access is a damn good start. making folks get out the credit card or cryptocurrency to buy a VPN service is a significant barrier to kids randomly stumbling upon some seriously fucked up porn on ordinary, popular web sites as well as teens being able to access it conveniently and secretly.
while there will probably always be small groups of the most dedicated coomers sharing porn with one another, loads of folks pay for streaming services cause they're too lazy and technically inept to use a torrent client, the same effect would happen with porn.
it's more effective to target the producers and distributors than have a bunch of secret police going 1984 on the consumers. seize the domains and servers of the largest dedicated pornography distributors on day one, give social media sites a chance to have the jannies clean the place up and remove the newly illegal material and ISPs a chance to work out the technical details of blocking foreign porn sites.
while there will probably always be small groups of the most dedicated coomers sharing porn with one another, loads of folks pay for streaming services cause they're too lazy and technically inept to use a torrent client, the same effect would happen with porn.
it's more effective to target the producers and distributors than have a bunch of secret police going 1984 on the consumers. seize the domains and servers of the largest dedicated pornography distributors on day one, give social media sites a chance to have the jannies clean the place up and remove the newly illegal material and ISPs a chance to work out the technical details of blocking foreign porn sites.
I agree that creating barriers to access in general, and harder barriers for under-18s, is a good idea. There is a lot of room between "showing porn in kindergarden" and "anti-porn inquisition" to work within.
It doesn't even need to be made illegal. Making age verification a requirement would help a lot. Actual verification, not click-thru "yes I'm 18, wink, wink". Ensuring privacy while preventing access to most minors would be the main issue any technical solution would have.
It doesn't even need to be made illegal. Making age verification a requirement would help a lot. Actual verification, not click-thru "yes I'm 18, wink, wink". Ensuring privacy while preventing access to most minors would be the main issue any technical solution would have.
@teknomunk @cjd that would be a decent first step if we couldn't go all the way to banning it entirely
requiring something like
>submit a photo of yourself holding government issued photo ID
>pay with a credit or debit card with a name and billing address that matches that ID
>this has to be verified by a human employee and then kept on file for as long as the customer maintains their subscription + 1 year
>a bunch of regulatory requirements on ID verification, recordkeeping, and cybersecurity
would have an excellent chilling effect on both consumption and the number of sites willing to go through all that work and expense just to be allowed to distribute porn. especially the sort of high-value targets like social media sites where SFW and NSFW user generated content coexist.
similar measures could be taken on the production side from an anti human trafficking angle. want to produce or distribute smut? better be able to show authorities the signed and notarized consent forms from every actor involved or it's big time fines + criminal charges if someone turns out to be underage or a victim of human trafficking.
requiring something like
>submit a photo of yourself holding government issued photo ID
>pay with a credit or debit card with a name and billing address that matches that ID
>this has to be verified by a human employee and then kept on file for as long as the customer maintains their subscription + 1 year
>a bunch of regulatory requirements on ID verification, recordkeeping, and cybersecurity
would have an excellent chilling effect on both consumption and the number of sites willing to go through all that work and expense just to be allowed to distribute porn. especially the sort of high-value targets like social media sites where SFW and NSFW user generated content coexist.
similar measures could be taken on the production side from an anti human trafficking angle. want to produce or distribute smut? better be able to show authorities the signed and notarized consent forms from every actor involved or it's big time fines + criminal charges if someone turns out to be underage or a victim of human trafficking.
I think what this comes down to is "you can't legislate morality". Morality exists within a person, and it is costly to build up. You can't write a law that says people are now moral anymore than you can write a law which says that people are now wealthy. Trying to do so will not work and will have bad unintended consequences.
I like to think of porn like alcohol. A little bit is not inherently damaging but too much is, Children should not have access to it, and a healthy society is one where people can have it but mostly choose not to.
I like to think of porn like alcohol. A little bit is not inherently damaging but too much is, Children should not have access to it, and a healthy society is one where people can have it but mostly choose not to.
I agree with your reading on how things should be. Looking around it is clear that we are not there. I just don't know how we get from where things are now, to a mostly moral society, but if things continue withoug changing something, I expect it to get worse, not better. Individual effort is certainly needed, but I have doubts that alone will be enough to stand against the collective.
Destroy the money printer, everything will work itself out.
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@bot @teknomunk @cjd @skylar ANYTHING can be used as a currency. Gold, silver, eggs, crypto, bottle caps, seeds. You don't need fiat.
The issue is that not all these have the same utility as money and society is not setup to handle multiple mediums of exchange.
Not to mention that nobody would ever want to sell their car or house or practically anything for eggs or bottle caps lol. Forgery is also an issue.
The world will settle on Bitcoin, it might take a world war or two but it will happen.
Bitcoin isn’t fit for purpose, it can’t handle the transactions, nor is lightning.
Short it :P
It’s too risky and there’s way too much market manipulation.
bitcoin is a value store - it's not a good general currency.
The only reason anyone buys crypto at all is as a speculative investment. It’s not censorship resistant or any other cope because the government can just regulate and restrict on and off ramps and then it’s over.
I don't think the elites really control as much as they'd like us to believe - Idk if they continue to let it exist because they can't shut it down, or because they are using it as some sort of trap.
They absolutely can shut it down lol, I just told you how. If people couldn’t buy and sell crypto for real cash, it wouldn’t be worth anything.
They are probably continuing to allow it (for now) so they can hide and launder money, discreetly accept bribes, engage in child sex trafficking, etc. They’re also coming up with their own digital currency and they’ll probably crack down once that’s ready.
They are probably continuing to allow it (for now) so they can hide and launder money, discreetly accept bribes, engage in child sex trafficking, etc. They’re also coming up with their own digital currency and they’ll probably crack down once that’s ready.
That is true when you include "I may want some of this in the future" and "I think this is good, want it to succeed and want to put my mo ey where my mouth is" under the banner of "speculation.
> government can just decide whether you can by or sell something to kill it at will
I see that has worked so well for other illegal things, like alcohol in the '20s, drugs and such.
Government is powerful, but it is not God. People get a say in how things happen (and I don't mean just voting). In recent history, some of the more powerful drivers for crypto adoption have been resistence to runaway inflation amd bypassing capital controls. Do you see either of those in our short-medium term future?
> government can just decide whether you can by or sell something to kill it at will
I see that has worked so well for other illegal things, like alcohol in the '20s, drugs and such.
Government is powerful, but it is not God. People get a say in how things happen (and I don't mean just voting). In recent history, some of the more powerful drivers for crypto adoption have been resistence to runaway inflation amd bypassing capital controls. Do you see either of those in our short-medium term future?
Drugs and alcohol are tangible products that have cash value. If a “currency” can’t be used as a currency to buy necessities (or anything else) then it has no value. It’s an entirely different situation.
Something else which is totally unusable for buying drugs/alcohol (or really anything). But unlike BTC, it's ridiculously expensive to transport and incredibly difficult to validate whether it's been debased.
perhaps the bitcoin network has so much inherent value that nations are competing to dominate it rather than destroy it.
It will supplant gold as central bank reserves because it just has better properties. They're already accumulating...
https://coinmarketcap.com/headlines/news/bis-now-allows-banks-to-hold-2-of-reserves-in-crypto/
https://coinmarketcap.com/headlines/news/bis-now-allows-banks-to-hold-2-of-reserves-in-crypto/
And central banks ain't accumulating dogecoin to defend their currencies with 😂
I think between 40-60% of bitcoin and ethereum servers are hosted by Amazon.
Ethereum, because it takes a billion gigabytes of storage for all the smart contract shit. Bitcoin can run on a ras pi.
That's counter to my understanding that they use custom hardware to mine more efficiently. Anyway, I put a couple thousand into btc when it was going up - bummed when the price dropped, but was not planning to convert back to USD anyway. Certainly it's designed to be unstoppable, but who knows.
Well, that’s incorrect. There’s a report by trail of bits that btfo’d all the cryptards on how things aren’t actually decentralised. It’s actually 4 different hosts though, not just Amazon, but it’s still 50%ish of all bitcoin nodes.
oh no. Want to buy some btc??
No thx, gambling is sinful.
> gambling is sinful
So you don't own stocks, either directly or indirectly as part of a retirement account, right? That's at least as much gambling as buying crypto is.
So you don't own stocks, either directly or indirectly as part of a retirement account, right? That's at least as much gambling as buying crypto is.
@cjd @teknomunk @bot things won't look good for bitcoin (or any other digital currency or payment processing) after a world war, or even a regional china/taiwan thing.
supply chain issues from COVID still haven't been resolved, and companies will be catching up on delayed maintenance/equipment replacement for years to come. throwing more wrenches into the semiconductor supply leads to a future where half the businesses in town have a "sorry, credit card machine is down, cash only" sign taped to the door when nobody can replace infrastructure faster than it fails.
supply chain issues from COVID still haven't been resolved, and companies will be catching up on delayed maintenance/equipment replacement for years to come. throwing more wrenches into the semiconductor supply leads to a future where half the businesses in town have a "sorry, credit card machine is down, cash only" sign taped to the door when nobody can replace infrastructure faster than it fails.
I find that the largest issue with thr current set of cryptocurrencies is the dependencies on cheap, plentiful and reliable electricity, and a globally-routable, always-on internet. Lose one or both of those, and crypto is basically dead (can't function on technical grounds). War, and especially world war, makes both much more likely to be an issue.
> cheap, plentiful and reliable electricity
Even a world war is not going to mean electricity is unreliable everywhere in the entire world. Even if Texas is the only place with reliable electricity, they're going to continue mining.
> globally-routable, always-on internet
Ditto, knocking out the Whole Entire Internet in every country in the whole world, even for an hour, it essentially impossible. It's really not expensive for a mining operation to setup a starlink or a hughesnet dish to supplement their network.
Bitcoin is a lot more resilient than you would think. Biggest threat is something which wipes out all electronic devices on earth. But that's putting humanity back in the stone age so no kind of money will have value.
Even a world war is not going to mean electricity is unreliable everywhere in the entire world. Even if Texas is the only place with reliable electricity, they're going to continue mining.
> globally-routable, always-on internet
Ditto, knocking out the Whole Entire Internet in every country in the whole world, even for an hour, it essentially impossible. It's really not expensive for a mining operation to setup a starlink or a hughesnet dish to supplement their network.
Bitcoin is a lot more resilient than you would think. Biggest threat is something which wipes out all electronic devices on earth. But that's putting humanity back in the stone age so no kind of money will have value.
Re globally-routable, always-on internet
My project: https://pkt.cash is related to trying to make this more robust.
What WILL 100% happen is crypto will be unavailable to people in certain countries. Because these people are effectively slaves, only allowed to use the king's currency "to buy a loaf of bread if it pleases his majesty".
My project: https://pkt.cash is related to trying to make this more robust.
What WILL 100% happen is crypto will be unavailable to people in certain countries. Because these people are effectively slaves, only allowed to use the king's currency "to buy a loaf of bread if it pleases his majesty".
@cjd @teknomunk @bot there's a lot of gray area between a perfectly functional globally-routable, always-on internet and total internet failure.
when your ISP is calling distributor after distributor trying to find switches or transceivers or cards for the CMTS/DSLAM and nobody can give an estimate of when they'll be restocked, that's gonna be a problem. best case scenario they've got a large inventory of equipment that some dork with a MBA hasn't discovered and demanded to liquidate in the name of this quarter's profit. otherwise they'll have to look at finding equipment from a different manufacturer, which is a real challenge when you have thousands of techs trained in your current system. is an adtran router really that different from a cisco? not at all, but managing them at scale is the challenge.
meanwhile, everyone you want to make a transaction with is also struggling to find hardware.
>sorry, the payment processor we use for crypto is having an outage
>sorry, the credit card machine is broken and our vendor won't have a replacement for 3 weeks
>sorry, the e-commerce platform we use is having intermittent connectivity problems
>sorry, our server broke last week so we're taking orders by hand and only accepting cash
when your ISP is calling distributor after distributor trying to find switches or transceivers or cards for the CMTS/DSLAM and nobody can give an estimate of when they'll be restocked, that's gonna be a problem. best case scenario they've got a large inventory of equipment that some dork with a MBA hasn't discovered and demanded to liquidate in the name of this quarter's profit. otherwise they'll have to look at finding equipment from a different manufacturer, which is a real challenge when you have thousands of techs trained in your current system. is an adtran router really that different from a cisco? not at all, but managing them at scale is the challenge.
meanwhile, everyone you want to make a transaction with is also struggling to find hardware.
>sorry, the payment processor we use for crypto is having an outage
>sorry, the credit card machine is broken and our vendor won't have a replacement for 3 weeks
>sorry, the e-commerce platform we use is having intermittent connectivity problems
>sorry, our server broke last week so we're taking orders by hand and only accepting cash
In that regard, banking system is way more fragile than the bitcoin chain. And "we're only accepting cash" works for about 2 weeks with ATMs out of order before that collapses too...
@cjd @teknomunk @bot yeah the banking system is pretty vulnerable to disruption in network connectivity too, but in the china/taiwan semiconductor shortage scenario, the damage will slowly build up over time, convincing folks to start carrying and using more cash from frustration over random places being intermittently unable to accept cards.
with crypto there's just no way to process any transactions offline
with crypto there's just no way to process any transactions offline
If there is a world war, communications satellites and undersea cables will be targeted for destruction. I don't know if other radio communications are avaialble (i believe the distances are far too large for microwave links) or if they would be available for civilian use.
If Asia and Europe can't communicate with each other or America for a few months, how will the resulting blocmchain forks be handled?
If Asia and Europe can't communicate with each other or America for a few months, how will the resulting blocmchain forks be handled?
World war doesn't work that way.
Never mind the fact that Elon Musk has like 6000 fucking satellites up there already and taking down satellites is Really Difficult, not to mention you have a very short time window before your launch pads are gone.
But even if it weren't for Starlink, war is never truly total. There was no time during WW2 when Hitler couldn't send a telegraph to Churchill or FDR, nobody wants to wipe out the communications platforms because when you can no longer communicate with the enemy, they can no longer surrender.
BTW this is also why nobody kills enemy leaders. Once the leader is dead, surrender is impossible and the enemy army will fight to the last man.
War is made out to be a mindless projection of violence, but in reality it is a tit-for-tat back and forth where seeing and hearing the enemy's reaction is as important, if not more important, than the strike. Communication is the premier capability in war.
In a world war scenario, internet will be temporarily out on battlefields, but it will be quickly restored because life cannot continue until it is. Outside of battlefields, things will continue as they did in Switzerland in WW2, in an uneasy tension but seemingly entirely normal.
Bitcoin is going to be big.
Never mind the fact that Elon Musk has like 6000 fucking satellites up there already and taking down satellites is Really Difficult, not to mention you have a very short time window before your launch pads are gone.
But even if it weren't for Starlink, war is never truly total. There was no time during WW2 when Hitler couldn't send a telegraph to Churchill or FDR, nobody wants to wipe out the communications platforms because when you can no longer communicate with the enemy, they can no longer surrender.
BTW this is also why nobody kills enemy leaders. Once the leader is dead, surrender is impossible and the enemy army will fight to the last man.
War is made out to be a mindless projection of violence, but in reality it is a tit-for-tat back and forth where seeing and hearing the enemy's reaction is as important, if not more important, than the strike. Communication is the premier capability in war.
In a world war scenario, internet will be temporarily out on battlefields, but it will be quickly restored because life cannot continue until it is. Outside of battlefields, things will continue as they did in Switzerland in WW2, in an uneasy tension but seemingly entirely normal.
Bitcoin is going to be big.
@cjd @teknomunk @bot intentional targeting of civilian communications infrastructure isn't all that likely, but that doesn't mean it'll survive. take out just a few enemy spy satellites and now there's a ton of extra trash floating around up there, traveling at incredible high speeds that'll disintegrate anything it hits.
unlike in 1945, the global economy is now frighteningly centralized and most manufacturing capacity is located in places likely to be in conflict zones. there's just no way to maintain modern communications infrastructure without a functioning global supply chain.
unlike in 1945, the global economy is now frighteningly centralized and most manufacturing capacity is located in places likely to be in conflict zones. there's just no way to maintain modern communications infrastructure without a functioning global supply chain.
A fight between CN and TW is pretty unlikely at this point though, more likely CN will end up tangling with IN.
