In the wake of the news of Fredrick Brennan's (8chan creator) passing, I was reminded that I too had some dream of creating an imageboard, but I never got around to it and I'm glad I did.

Basically, much like how 8chan was basically a fusion of Reddit and 4chan, my idea was a fusion of Twitter and 4chan, as in instead of boards, threads would be grouped via tags that anyone can create on the fly. The only rules would be to keep everything legal and all spam threads would be deleted. I never got around to it because of my limited knowledge of programming and servers at the time and I felt like my more progressive family members would disown me for creating such a site.

I'm glad I never created that site because I feel like most people who run community sites for niche and dissident audiences tend to regret it later in life and go down dark paths. Though, I'm not against such sites in principle, I just hope that if you create such a community that you are prepared for what you are getting into. At least Hot Wheels seemed to have enjoyed the final years of his life.

It sucks because while Google is allowed to be the largest host of kiddy porn and all the other illegal bits and bytes, they get a pass because shucks they try their hardest to delete it whenever it is found. Meanwhile, if a regular person owns a message board that allows uploads, they'll get their door kicked in at 3:00am because some bored guy in Tel Aviv uploaded CP to a board nobody looks at
I know, at one point, Alex Gleason tried to get access to the list of CP hashes to facilitate auto-deletion of such content but the corporations who "owned" those hashes wanted tens of thousands of dollars for them. Why that isn't considered "profiting off child porn" by the law, I have no idea.
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@caekislove Hashing seems like a terrible way to detect CP because all one needs to do in order to bypass it is to change one pixel value in a way that it isn't noticeable and then the resulting image would have a completely different hash.

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I know it's more complicated than just hashing the whole file, but I don't know the specific details. Like subhashes maybe. The point is even a crude solution isn't even made available and instead an impossible standard (no hosting naughty bits, even for a second) is required for independent hosts where as Google, Wikipedia, Internet Archive, etc can host CP and warez for weeks or months and just shrug and delete it whenever someone points it out without getting so much as a fine.
I always thought they basically just down-sampled it to 100x100 16 colors and hashed that - so the hash survives most changes.

But they don't publish how they do this, because as soon as it's published, it can be trivially worked around.

The whole thing is so dumb, I imagine the owner of the company that does it is probably in the Epstein files. So basically he's making hashes of the files that he himself is creating.

@cjd @caekislove I still think it's a bad idea because regardless of how it is hashed or subhashed, collisions are inevitable and at least one person has been falsely accused of possessing CP because he had a file that was in collision with one of the hashes.

eff.org/deeplinks/2022/08/goog

Also the government can no longer really pretend to care about children or going after child molesters, so the whole thing is a stupid charade.
Yeah they'll kick down your door because someone in Uganda uploaded a 30-year old CP image while the jewish head of Cybersecurity gets caught red handed trying to solicit a minor in Nevada and is released on bail then immediately flies back to Israel.
@caekislove @xianc78 @cjd remember that guy with the big "Jews fuck kids" blimp? Where is the lie lol
They're probably not really doing that anymore because they're afraid someone's gonna give them hell from the witness stand if they try to prosecute.
DO AS YAW BEEN COMMAMDED TO DO AS YO SUPERIAH PHARAOH KING SAID YOU MUHFUKKIH RAYCISS ASS BITCH :kirilove:

@monkyyy @caekislove @xianc78 @cjd Ukraine mostly iirc but idk about these days with the war there. Still Jews regardless.

@cjd @caekislove @xianc78

They won't tell you this but the government is actually not just one guy.
@taylan @caekislove @xianc78 @cjd That's the comment that should be on EVERY EFFING POLITICAL POST there is.

@xianc78 @cjd @caekislove it wasn't about hashes, it was a result of them taking photos to send to a doctor and it automatically syncing to their google cloud. google's automatic system flagged it and it was decided that the photos were CP, even after the police said nothing was wrong.

@caekislove @xianc78 it’s called a perceptual hash, it can handle rotation and resizing and color compression etc
@sun @caekislove @xianc78 it doesn't matter what you do or who you are it just matters if the cabal like you. they like google and pornhub so they can traffic kids all they want. places like chans are often exposing their bullshit, so no amount of regulation will be enough.

cf. the shills posting their own hate speech to report it and the shill industrial complex amplifying the story even though the original post may have been zotted by management after 40 minutes.

it's not about doing your best its about power games, like all of life.
Exactly. The main barrier to creating a free speech message board isn't technical, it's political. Anything not run by a VC-backed corporation out of California is assumed to be a child porn exchange by default and will be treated as such by authorities.
@caekislove @xianc78 @sun not really. its the pol boards that get you crosshairs.

they don't really care about coomers and victims they just don't want people proving the state protects them.
@caekislove @sun @xianc78 ex. if you believe the grayzone reporting, israel considers people even being allowed to have a democratic debate about funding their forever war to be a threat. they've gotten publicly mad at the Pauls in congress for reminding people we have the right to vote on it.

someday you people will stop thinking the symptoms are the systems.

@icedquinn @caekislove @sun Yeah, literally every altchan that is still around either has no /pol/ equivalent or it's /pol/ is dead enough not to be on anyone's radar.

@icedquinn @caekislove @xianc78 @sun a while back me and a friend had a plan B for how Tumblr could have solved the porn shit better: just ban IRL images.

Boom, you've banned the #1 problem on the site while also not letting porn artists get fucked.
@PurpCat @caekislove @xianc78 @sun nobody cares about the porn. the symptoms aren't the system.
@icedquinn @caekislove @xianc78 @sun to elaborate the Tumblr issue was people were posting illegal images and that led to the App Store shit and the current CEO won't do it because of "payment processors"

but that's another battle entirely
@PurpCat @caekislove @xianc78 @sun > 'illegal images'

mastercard is on a quest to chastity belt the world. much of what they force patreon to ban isn't actually illegal.

symptoms != system
@icedquinn @caekislove @xianc78 @sun yeah that's what happened here Apple used CSAM as a reason to nuke the whole app and because it was corporate hell Verizon and not some free company they folded fast.
@nigger @icedquinn @caekislove @xianc78 @sun oh no only the annoying ethots who post IRL nudes would have gotten fucked and not the CHAD artists
Venture Capital is just a polite way of saying bankers. It allows them to expand their predatory lending, and they hate oversight. We have shekels, let us take control your business. For half of what it should cost (51%)
@xianc78 @caekislove There's two ways to solve this: the first is that you manually approve attachments (the sharty does this), or you automatically scan images for NSFW content with AI. This actually does in fact cut down on shit.

And I mean NSFW because you're not only going to need to deal with some edgelord with illegal images, but also unfunny kids posting Nikocado's Coinslot or Ambatukum or gore.
I'm very curious what kind of "lightweight vision model" they're using. They kind of glossed over that like it was no big deal.
I'd like to see the travel expense to Epstein island: Collecting Data For AI Model Training.
@caekislove @PurpCat @xianc78 https://huggingface.co/Falconsai/nsfw_image_detection (343MB, 88MB quantized)
https://huggingface.co/Marqo/nsfw-image-detection-384 (22MB)
Probably these or a finetune of it or something similar. They run pretty light and can do classification pretty rapidly on CPU only and would fly through images on a GPU.

@PurpCat @caekislove At this point, I think it would be better for these anonymous communities to just be textboards. It dodges the CP problem (minus the links) and (at least for now) also dodges the age-verification problem.

@PurpCat @caekislove I envy those who grew up during that time. Must be nice to be able to do this without fear of being doxed or having your life ruined later.

@xianc78 @caekislove I see it as different than just doxing.

I see it as, to the court of public opinion the dumbest thing you've ever done is going to be broadcast on repeat forever and some random guys from the peanut gallery will just bring it up over and over again.
That's pretty much what killed dance clubs. Being the dork dancing in a corner was bad enough without some bored instagram thot recording you and making fun of you with her 2 million followers
Here in Houston, the decent clubs found some excuse not to let them inside the door. Usually bans on sports jerseys and/or sneakers.

@caekislove @PurpCat You could have a club that bans recording or even all electronic devices with cameras, but I don't know how well that would go.

Probably not well, since so many other venues use "tag your photos #MyShittyClub on instagram!!" as part of their promotions.

@PurpCat @caekislove Yeah that too, especially given that the BBSes were limited to local area codes so such information wasn't easily searched and copied around.

@xianc78 @caekislove I don't think internet beefing was this bad back then either, if you wanted internet beefs you had to literally go out of your way for it or be crazy enough on say USENET.

By that I mean someone like Derek Smart probably isn't even shocking to the web anymore because there are thousands of people like him at least using Google Alerts on their own name to find people talking shit online.
@xianc78 @caekislove but if they don't do that then you reduce your load of it, especially as a second pass for CNN image classification
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