> WaPo cartoonist arrested for computer-generated AI "CSAM" porn (literally cartoon loli porn that one can find on Pixiv or Baraag or NHentai, or Hitomi or even this instance)
> Post calls or implies that the man is a criminal pedophile
> Poster posts/shares/favorites loli porn on this instance and professes to be a lolicon while totally NOT being a pedophile
Absolute bruh moment...Come on, dude.
Embarrassing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTt8IzilofM&ab_channel=Saltydogy
@Aldo2 the tip comes from the NCMEC, who in the past has told people to stop reporting loli because it is a waste of their resources.
here's an article about the actual law from california: https://a23.asmdc.org/press-releases/20240929-california-criminalizes-ai-enabled-child-sexual-abuse
a lot of governments across the united states and the world are starting to ban this, and it is pretty clear to me that it refers to realistic AI that actually resembles children and is trained on actual children.
this article also states that he had uploaded 134 videos of csam, which is completely different than ai generated images: https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/pulitzer-winning-cartoonist-darrin-bell-arrested-for-child-pornography-details-article-117296411
@beardalaxy you're splitting hairs.
First off, yes, loli porn is obviously fine.
Second, "AI enabled abuse"? Do you have any idea how retarded that sounds? "Not real real abuse".
Laws can be shit. Shit laws are shit. It's not like every law is amazing. If that was the case, there wouldn't have been prosecutions against "loli" porn in the first place.
And what about 3DCG or just 3D in general. Plenty of pretty realistic 3D loli porn on this instance. You're opening a can of worms without even understanding it.
The videos are AI generated. The post that you shared (actual police-statement) stated as such ("computer generated AI images/videos"). The shitty clickbait article you shared in that link just attempts to create drama around it while not clarifying what exactly the content was.
You're clutching at straws.
I don't care whether Prager is Jewish. The post was about Nick and his fucking fanbase.
@Aldo2 you're reading it completely wrong.
1. tip was related to 18 files containing csam
2. further investigation revealed 134 videos of csam
3. warrant is served
4. they find AI CSAM and other related evidence
i thought your post was about prager at first but yeah nick and anyone who actually likes him are retarded too.
AI CSAM is regarded as such because it is trained on actual children and in some cases, actual child porn. it can very easily be abused by taking photos of actual children and using AI to undress them and there are minors who are actually dealing with this sort of trouble in school.
even a place like allthefallen has extremely strict rules on how realistic AI can get. baraag bans realistic AI images. there's a reason for that.
@beardalaxy uh, no.
Again, look at the Sherrif's statement.
"CSAM" IS the "AI CSAM" in the statenent which itself is simply AI porn like 60% of Pixiv lolicon or 3D loli artists. NORMIES THINK LOLICON AND CSAM ARE THE SAME THING YOU DINGUS.
Dude, you're playing dumb with me now.
"Warrant is served" So?
I've never, ever heard of what you describe, and I made a post years ago about how people on Pixiv were doing actual traces of RL CP. That was not AI-generated, that was those people doing that themselves. THAT stuff was actually realistic because it was literally TRACED BY HAND.
Funnily enough, in that post I joked about the BBC just discovering the "pedo" tag but ranting about AI art (which back then was shit anyways, there was nothing "realistic" about it). The pedo tag itself encompasses all the "lolicon" (3D and non-3D) on Pixiv anyways (surprise surprise, Japanese at least are honest). But that's all an aside.
Atf wasn't always like that. They became like that because of shitty laws and the sort of deranged antis which you keep appealing to. Indeed, Atf had to close recently because they were getting DDossed by antis IN SPITE of those rules.
Again, there is PLENTY of 3DCG stuff here and on other instances.
Ever heard of Virtamate?
Come the fuck oooooooooooon...
@beardalaxy there's a guy who does virtamate stuff that I like who's post was taken down because it was "too realistic" and people may have even thought it was real even though it wasn't AI blah blah blah
His post was allowed to return.
He is, at least from my estimation, a pretty popular "lolicon" guy.
@Aldo2 people are not allowed to post/boost realistic 3dcg on this instance. it's on other instances and you can view it from here but that's it. i'm willing to bet it's because matrix doesn't want to get into any hot water.
@beardalaxy that's on the Baraag instance lol, the very same instance that you say has rules against it!
And I pointed out how they reinstated his post!
You guys keep twisting yourselves into pretzels over this shit.
There's a guy who "ages down" pornstars using AI to turn them into children and then posts videos of them from their porn scenes.
Is that AI CSAM?
By your logic, that's even more CSAM-y than AI generated fake people, because the content is literally based on real people.
Or does it not count when the AI "ages down" people "of age" to look like real children?
I really just don't get it.
@Aldo2 i don't think i'm the one twisting myself into a pretzel here lmaooo 
either you're extremely ignorant about how any of this technology works and what the terms mean, or you are shit stirring on purpose
@beardalaxy furthermore, just to react to another point you made, about "the world" waking up to "the issue", that again is likely overblown, and probably based upon the notion that "the world" is just all Anglo nations, which as I point out quite often, are simultaneously extremely prudish (almost Puritan) while also being extremely degenerate.
Imagine making that much fuss over AI porn while ignoring real shit. That was the exact point I made regarding the BBC's article.
(Here is the article, for reference: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65932372)
I'm pretty sure I remember seeing the "I train my girls on my PC" comment, and it was on a cartoon loli x futa post or some shit. Hardly "realistic".
They mention "Stable Diffusion" as a prime player. I can't really remember porn from that AI, but I'm sure there were signs that it wasn't "realistic". Things like 4 fingers, or webbed hands/feet etc...
Of course, irony of ironies is that nudist photos of children are apparently fine, even though, you know, they're real children, not AI, and they're, you know, nude. But if it's AI shit, then it's bad, even though it's not real (in at least the vast majority of cases).
"The NPCC's Ian Critchley said he was also concerned that the flood of realistic AI or "synthetic" images could slow down the process of identifying real victims of abuse."
The very same point I made just a couple of paragraphs above.
@beardalaxy at least one of those images (left) has the telltale signs of being AI-generated, but I get the point. AI is improving.
Still, it's not real.
We have to maintain that distinction, because if there is no difference between AI and reality, then humanity is fucked. We will no longer be in control.
Might as well just become the Borg at that point.
@Aldo2 these were made with stable diffusion, done with a model that's a year old at this point.
stable diffusion is the program used to generate stuff, models are what contain the trained data.