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There used to be a time when I thought Muslims and non Muslims could be friends. Now I firmly believe in the eradication of all religions through nonviolent means, like exclusion.

@Jazzy_Butts i have a muslim friend :blobcatopenmouth:
even though we don't hang out that much anymore ever since i told him i had a bf :blobcatthink:

@mario I'm sure there are very nice muslims, just like there are very nice cops, or very nice gang members, I still cannot trust them until they renounce their affiliation, because their membership in a group that opposes my way of life makes them an enemy

@Jazzy_Butts i thought the same way when i was like 17-19 years old. then i've met some muslims when i moved out of parents place and it turns out religion isn't a topic we ever discussed :akko_giggle:

@mario Lucky, I have been lied to too many times by religious filth, now when anyone says they're religious I treat them as a pool of water with a crocodile in it. Just because the surface is calm does not mean I am safe.

@mario Even "spiritual hippies" and "wiccans" are filth to me. Trash. They spew lies for fun, for a thrill, and it disgusts me. I used to be one of them, and I didn't even realize I was such a piece of shit, so arrogant, in my stupid unverifiable beliefs about energy and thoughts.

@Jazzy_Butts i get the sentiment, but i've come to the conclusion that i'm just as arrogant by discarding whole group of people who self-identify as something i disagree with

@mario In war, of course you want to gain allies from among the ranks of your enemies, you will need spies

@mario I'm just explaining to you my viewpoint, because you're right that it's unwise to burn bridges, unless it's wartime

@mario I think so, I think the religions have declared war on all nonmembers, certainly Christians have, and Muslims have.

@mario I see all the time, videos of ranting christians and muslims, I saw ranting christians up close growing up, a Christian or Muslim with the attitude of live and let live looks rare to me. They want everyone to be like them, and even when they seem nice they are in fact only tolerating others, and once they get power, control, become the majority, they start murdering outsiders, gays, and heretics.

@Jazzy_Butts But that's selective perception...
there are tons of peaceful and nice religious people, who are just quietly living their life

@mario I agree, and they are nice and religious because they are ignorant, if they knew what their org really represented they would either be evil and religious, or they would leave the religion.

@Jazzy_Butts i agree 100% with that statement, but i don't see myself in the position to make their ignorance clear, since it's impossible to disprove religion (or better said to convince believers that their believe is rooted in lies)

@fluffy @mario Lucky, all I know is that if I had the two options to stay with a religious muslim/christian family, or die alone in the wilderness, I would make my peace and choose the wilderness. At least in the wilderness I won't be tortured to death when push comes to shove.

I'm a devout catholic and you couldn't be more wrong

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you are the one proposing eradication of my kind and I would still give you shelter. Can you say the same of any other group?
@fluffy @Jazzy_Butts >you are the one proposing eradication of my kind
i don't :blobcatsweat:
tbh tho i think there are tons of people giving shelter to even the worst of society, like social workers
I wish we could do something about homelessness

I've been homeless before, it can be harrowing
@fluffy @Jazzy_Butts It comes with conditions, but in germany it's rather easy to find a homeless shelter or a social home.
I've been friends with junkies who literally did nothing but drugs all day and lived in an okay room inviting all their underage friends over to do more drugs :meowGiggle:
they got thrown out after shooting a gas pistol out of the window
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@fluffy @mario I fear your catholicism. I don't understand how you couldn't see why. I have been fooled too many times, the worm on a hook no longer tricks me, a hot meal and a bed is not enough to bribe me into submission, not any longer. "See how nice I have been, so you must see now that Christ is the way, right?" -it's not genuine charity, it's bribery and manipulation, and it is not laudable if it is indeed what I view it as, bribery, manipulation.

The last time I asked for charity from a church, when I was homeless, I was chased away. I slept that night under the library's roof. I would have gladly accepted whatever lip service they asked if it meant I didn't sleep out in the cold.

I find your story very difficult to believe.

@fluffy @mario I find your story difficult to believe as well, if that's worth anything to you.

@fluffy @Jazzy_Butts It wasn't from a church directly, but from the state. They lived on the top floor of a (smol) community collage.
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@Jazzy_Butts @fluffy @mario

I'm no fan of religion, but the religious organizations in my community do much more for the homeless than the bureaucracy in place.


When I had 3 nights of rough sleeping (in between flats, with a broken home), I had an Islamic group bring me some soup, and the next night, they'd told some Catholics to check up on me.

Charity does seem to prosper with religion

@lunarised @mario @fluffy Yes and pushers give free drugs to first time users, it's not because the pushers are nice guys, it's self interest, they're trying to convert you, a footsoldier in the army of god is more valuable to them than 100 soups.

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@fluffy @mario Btw I don't want christians/muslims eradicated, I want them converted, to either atheism, agnosticism, or deism. Any individual who refuses to convert, I want ostracized, no services, no utilities, and they are free to go at any time, to their own community, with believers like them.

it was the word you used, why are you now so ashamed of it?

no matter, this topic is not of any interest to me. let's finish our discussion here.

@fluffy @mario you said I wanted christians eradicated, which is a lie, I said I want religions eradicated, not people.

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@Jazzy_Butts but that's not a realistic view and you might burn multiple big bridges with that mindset :blobcatsad:

@mario A big bridge is no good when it has enemies on the other side, it's only dangerous to keep it.

@Jazzy_Butts But you have enemies everywhere, you can't burn all bridges. In fact you shouldn't burn any IMO
@mario
You only need a bridge if you intend to go back... or can't swim.
@Jazzy_Butts
@Awoo @Jazzy_Butts metaphorically i need the bridge as a communication device, not an identity framework ;3

@mario I burn bridges because in this modern world I am not allow to drive a spike through the head of an enemy, I am legally forced to retreat until retreat is not an option.

@Jazzy_Butts >I am not allow to drive a spike through the head of an enemy
metaphorically in minecraft, right? :ablobcatsweatsip:

@mario I'm not allowed, so I don't do it, that's the point of laws. Any normal person would want to destroy an enemy, in the same way any normal father would want to kill a man who violated his daughter, and he is free to state that, he is righteous to state that, because he is telling the truth, such as "I would like to twist this bastards head off, but I won't, because I am better than he is, as a man who submits to law and not his base desires."

@mario I am not petty, all someone has to do is come out of their religious stupor, and admit they don't know, and to let go of their doctrine of ferocity, and they will be welcome with me.

@Kagekokoro @mario Any definable group is definable by observable characteristics, observable characteristics are what people are referring to when they refer to a lifestyle

@Jazzy_Butts @mario
if you see a cop on the street that does not have the uniform on, do you still count them internally as cops?

Or does your definition just encompass the cliché/expected dress code for the groups you describe?

You could meet a Muslim woman on the street and not know they are one because they are not wearing any of the identifiable garments.

@Kagekokoro @mario How would I know they were a cop if they were not in customary dress or told me they were? Same as a Muslim or Christian. Stopped reading after that tbh because you're being stupid.

@Jazzy_Butts @mario right...
well... then i guess further conversation with you will be pointless
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