As far as I am concerned, non autostic people are deffective. It must be so tiresome to always focus on 200 people's emotional state and opinions about each other. Then to focus on deforming each sentence to sound the correct way, even if it sacrefices the original message.

How could they even get through primary school with such a cognitive load is a mystery, but somehow, I don't even want to know. :ablobwhee:

@LukeAlmighty people without autism have the ability to filter sensory and cognitive input

Is simple and as it turns out, necessary to absolutely not pay attention to any of that shit whatsoever unless it is pertinent to what you were doing at any given moment

@Jackuu @LukeAlmighty It's not even conscious. Just happens. Your brain doesn't even go through "Sally is sad so I won't say/do X". You just wing it

@LukeAlmighty @MechaSilvio how so? Most interactions aren’t planned and meticulously laid out with flow charts that follow a logical stage of progression

Everything is very fluid and ad hoc most of the time. While some people that you know will respond in predictable ways that you can anticipate you honestly don’t know what people are going to do most of the time but generally a commonly held culture and standards of conduct limit the possibilities of what you will have to deal with with other people’s behavior

It’s actually a lot less complicated than you think despite the variables involved most of them are completely irrelevant in practice

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@Jackuu @MechaSilvio
> How so?
I am talking about the fact, that normies are used to lying to each other, and that if I were to point to the one thing, that I need more then any cure, it would be to cut the pointless lies from my childhood.

And you say, that people not only don't know that they lie, but that it's not even a real brain process. That is WORSE!!!

@LukeAlmighty @MechaSilvio I think you and I have a very different definition of what constitutes a lie. Fuzzy logic and detail omissions out of convenience are not the same as deliberate or malicious deception.

@LukeAlmighty @Jackuu No dude, It's not lying. What a stupid take. Being good at "reading the room" is one of the top human skills. And you not even once have to lie or twist your opinions. How can you not understand this? Most communication is non-verbal anyway
@MechaSilvio @LukeAlmighty @Jackuu As someone with pervasive developmental disorder it took me a while and plenty of trial by fire to polish out the retard from me. If I could I’d rather not be a toad venom pissing sperg tbh

@RoyalJohnny242 @Jackuu @MechaSilvio
Well, obviously. I am working on it too.
And that's my point actually. I might have been 5 years ahead of where I am now, if ANYONE actually bothered to explain to me as a kid just how fucking often do people lie. And worse, that they don't even think about it.

@LukeAlmighty @RoyalJohnny242 @MechaSilvio I’m not sure what your perception of people “lying to you” actually entails. Is it people acting differently in different situations? Or is it people selectively sharing information with different people?

I’m just trying to understand where you’re coming from here

@Jackuu @LukeAlmighty @RoyalJohnny242 People lie all the time but the issue here is sucking at social cues.

When you run into your neighbor and they ask "how are you?" you just say "good good" because it's not about the words, it's about being nice to the people living next to you.

I say "good good" even though I'm having an awful time bc I don't wanna talk about it with some acquaintance. It's not a lie, because there is no intention of being deceptive towards them. You're just not a selfish asshole that wants to suck their energy with your problems.

Like this example, lots of things happen in daily life. Words don't really matter that much
@MechaSilvio @Jackuu @LukeAlmighty You mean it’s considered a faux pas to explain to my neighbor in detail how I conditioned the black family’s pitbulls to attack hem viciously and eat their mangled bodies by extracting the bufotenin from my piss and dosing them with it to induce a state of feral hallucinogenic psychosis? Aw man, does this mean I’m not gonna be invited to the block party/potluck?

@MechaSilvio @Jackuu @RoyalJohnny242
> People lie all the time but the issue here is sucking at social cues.

Yes. And my point is, that explaining to an autistic people why people lie so much will "cure the shit put of them", simply because they won't be so confused from it.

@MechaSilvio @Jackuu @LukeAlmighty @RoyalJohnny242 Most people you meet probably approach social situations like this by default even among ''friends'' because they don't consider them close enough friends.
He will go out with you, drink a coffee, talk about the latest vidya but he don't see you as emotional support. They don't want to talk to you about how their ''actual'' friend ditched him on a fishing boat alone on the weekend even tho they had it planned for a month, because his friend wanted to go bone his gf all day that Saturday.
@MechaSilvio @Jackuu @LukeAlmighty @RoyalJohnny242 Retard advise to an actual guy with a problem. Read some slice of life manga or something.
The one I'm bowling my eyes out is Tokyo Revengers, find a pirated copy instead of official scanlations since they remove the Swaustika.

Other ones are rom-coms. Manga. I'm always recommending manga. Unlike western shit, tropes and cliches are used normally even if veterans have seen them soo many times, they know them better than the inside of their mouth and can make new variantions on the spot.

manga4life.com/manga/Boku-Dake-Ga-Inai-Machi
manga4life.com/manga/Please-Go-Home-Akutsu-san
mangakakalot.com/read-vz4nj158504872892

These are some of my recommends.
@Dicer @MechaSilvio @Jackuu @LukeAlmighty @RoyalJohnny242 Erased is excellent. It's both comfy and packs in a good suspense/mystery story.
@johnnyappleseed @Dicer @MechaSilvio @Jackuu @LukeAlmighty Riki Oh is the best manga to read in order to understand the schizosigma mindset
@Dicer @Jackuu @LukeAlmighty @MechaSilvio @RoyalJohnny242 Oh, I also follow "Please go Home, Akutsu-san".

I love me sone pure love stories to deal with crippling loneliness but sometimes it's a little TOO corny for me. That landlady must produce a lot of insulin to deal with that much glucose.
@MechaSilvio @Jackuu @LukeAlmighty @RoyalJohnny242 Indeed, I think this is the sure-fire way to judge if someone is autistic. If someone can't recognize that your neighbor asking "how are you?" isn't an invitation for you explain in detail how horribly your day has been going, or even that you just got fired.

It should be an opportunity to maybe mention a coming snow storm, or you saw something blow over from their yard.
@sickburnbro @MechaSilvio @Jackuu @LukeAlmighty @RoyalJohnny242 "How's it going?"

"Feeling down because the EMD DD35 was not only a great concept but aesthetically just a wonderful unit for the era, but unfortunately it came in a time when American class A railroads were becoming fake and gay and the government was giving everything GRIDS so rather than push the envelope roads needed super-computery silicon supply chain nightmares just to keep our supply chains on steel."

literal autistic bullshit. 

@Jackuu @MechaSilvio @RoyalJohnny242
ok.
First off, you won't be debating my opinions, but my opinions from when I was 6-12. Because that is, when the damage is made.

That being said, do you realy not remember all of the lies that were told in that age? All of the feel good lines, that if taken seriously could get you killed?

The problem is, that in the same way, as telling modern women, that they won't be judged for sleeping around, causes some of them to actually believe it, autistic people need to be told, that people are tribal, emotional and once they get invested in something, they cannot be reasoned with. How about, that people will always lie if it means increasing their tribal standing?

Even this little would do miracles. But instead, we are telling kids about kindness, non-judgment and most importantly, that deep down, everyone is a good person.

That shit takes years to figgure out. And those are yours you will never get back. :peepoFloorCry:

@LukeAlmighty @Jackuu @RoyalJohnny242 This is done to everyone, non-autistic kids also get fucked by these "societal lies". Most people are, in fact, naive and get taken advantage of, never figure anything out.
@LukeAlmighty @Jackuu @RoyalJohnny242 In fact, after being in Right Wing circles I'd say autists have disadvantage on interpersonal situations but a huge advantage in analyzing society. They just have to get the "It's the Jews" and all clicks
@MechaSilvio Absolutely. Autists are more system oriented rather than person - which also why professional/social incentive/disincentive mechanisms, paired with propaganda don't work on them as much.
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