Ok, this is driving me insane.
What do you see church to be?
@NEETzsche
I am asking because of the new video from Jordan Peterson.
https://youtu.be/e7ytLpO7mj0?t=510
At 8:30, he outright says, Go support globohomo organization that is church, even if they don't represent anything you consider to be valuable...
And that made me pull my hair.
That being said, there is an element of choice going on. You must compromise, as we all must. However, there are many Churches. So, pick the one you think is most correct.
@NEETzsche
Yeah... I would obviously not mind joining some community group, but the fact, that it would be connected to religeous aspect would made it unbelievabely toxic.
Not to mention, I used to go to a roman catholic primary schol. They were the most leftie people I've met in my life.
@NEETzsche
Thanks.
That was exactly the part, that was so shocking to me in his video. 
I think there is merit to a return to religion, but the thing is, if you don’t believe in it in the first place, why bother? One of the things LDS does is baptisms for the dead. We collect genealogical records dating back millennia, literally, and then have a ordinance (ritual) to baptize by proxy those people who were never baptized on Earth. This is a long and painstaking process.
Now, just for the sake of argument, assume that I thought this was bullshit. Again, why bother? Truthfully, there would be no reason. It would objectively a waste of time if what my faith obliged me to do were not based in reality. So religions, and in particular demanding religions such as my own, naturally filter for those people who think that it’s actually correct. My Church activities have made my personal life more, not less, difficult. This isn’t to say that there are no temporal or Earthly benefits, but if I were treating my Church time as a business venture or something of that nature I would regard it as a failure.
So instead of proselytizing you, I’m going to tell you that if your goal is community, pursue zones with common interests; hobby zones, professional organizations, that sort of thing. There are plenty of secular things to do if you think that religion is a load of crap.
I still cannot believe this spastic little Canadian faggot twerp ever got popular.
I saw several copies of his book in a free book dumpster bin outside my local library. That’s where it belongs.
@anonmoose90
True centrist, making both leftists and rightists cope and seethe
@LukeAlmighty
@LukeAlmighty forgive the rant pls
people who actually go to church frequently probably view it as both for the most part. the people who only go on easter and christmas probably only see it as religion, but maybe closer to tradition than religion.
personally, i won't ever go to church again. if people treated church ONLY as a community thing then that's fine, but i don't think participating in religion is really not that healthy and i do think that no religion on earth is true anyway. Jesus never set up a religion because men are corrupt... He came to abolish religion, to get people away from it and to follow Him instead. then, what do people do? they make a religion anyway. "oh but it's not judaism this time, it's different!" yeah i think Jesus would kick the pope's ass, unironically.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TxjrHPHypA
even the mormon prophet makes $100K salary (and the 70+ people under him make close to that much as well) and the church also owns a fuck load of land, has a shit ton of money in big pharma, etcetera. what's crazy is that i was told a lot as a kid that the mormon church was better than catholicism because all of the teachers and bishops and such do it voluntarily and don't get paid... but that's only true at the lowest level... and that 100K is just what is made from people paying tithing to the church. there's plenty of stuff they get like health care, royalties from stuff the business branch of the church sells, the works...
i think a lot of people in general feel like they need religion or need church in their life, and at least in utah with the mormon church it seems heavily rooted in tradition as well as fear of breaking that tradition, with a sprinkle of making sure you look good to everyone else in your neighborhood. "keeping up with the joneses" if you will. with a lot of catholics i'm sure a lot of it is rooted in tradition too.
something i have said for a while now is that religion makes good people feel like sinners, and it makes sinners feel good about themselves. bad people know they can repent and be absolved while good people develop guilt for being human.
of course i am just talking about abrahamic religion because that's all i've personally experienced. eastern philosophies like buddhism are a lot different and seem to be focused more on the individual than the religion/community.
@beardalaxy
Thanks, that was an amazing rant.
Also, I'll definitelly have to think about that amazing qote:
"religion makes good people feel like sinners, and it makes sinners feel good about themselves"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Stefan_Sapieha
He created one of the biggest charity organization in Poland, and pushed very hard for it to never be subsidized by state, he was against concordat and the only guy who wanted the Primate not to be located in capital city. During first days of war, he organized baptize for jews, so they would be exempt from nazi german plans.
He even had a face to face with Hans Frank and treated him oak coffee.
Guy was absolute madlad
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