@NEETzsche
Because I am wasting my finite life, going to a place to work on nothing (no bridge being built, no meat brought home) only to change the way I look for a person I haven't even met.

@NEETzsche
And PLEASE, don't even start with that "you got to do that for yourself" bullshit. That single line made me skip gym for decades.

@LukeAlmighty lol there is some degree of truth to it. It is better to be healthy than it is to be unhealthy, but I think that this reality manifests more in one's middle age, and you're still young. So I'm not going to try to pressure you to "get it" but I actually feel physically better after I lift and if I eat high quality food, and so on. And if I'm being honest, this just wasn't the case in my early to mid 20s.

@NEETzsche
Yeah, obviously. I am not arguing against the health aspect.

@LukeAlmighty I can't speak for other people, but I'm my own case, there's also an element of challenge to it. That is, I like it because I can do better than I did last time. Right now my bench is 275lbs (~125kg) at 5 reps. But the thing is, I want to get up to 3 plate, or 315lbs (~143kg).

If I'm being honest with you, it's sort of like getting better at a video game or something like that: "I want to run this Mario kart track in 1 minute and 50 seconds instead of 1 minute and 55 seconds." I'm not sure if other people are impressed by my improvements in what I can lift, but if I'm being honest I also don't really care.

So I think that to some extent if you continue to do the gym stuff you will condition yourself to at least kind of enjoy it, mostly because of its positive consequences such as sleeping better and being measurably stronger. But if this line of thinking just isn't convincing to you, then I don't think it's really my place to try to tell you what to do with your life. So I'm not going to belabor the point further.

@NEETzsche
While 1.5 month in, I do feel better in my day-to-day tasks, the ego definitely ain't getting the hit you're talking about from it.

@LukeAlmighty Well, them's the breaks I suppose. I also recall having gym buddies in my fraternity when I was in college. Now, I'm aware that fraternal bodies are sort of an American thing, but I also think it's probably healthy to lift your weights with other people. You can kind of make a contest out of it, again, much like a video game. There was a social element to going to the gym when I was younger, and I've noticed in the past few years that it's diminished. You'd go there, you'd try to btfo the other guy lifting while you're spotting each other. You'd exchange dubious bro science. Some of it would work, a lot of it wouldn't. But you get some good tips that you just wouldn't get out of a scientific journal or one of those men's magazines.

In your case, I don't think the social element would help as much. Because you've been diagnosed with a form of high functioning autism, I don't think that you are wired to really care about or need this kind of companionship. In fact, you might be wired to avoid it. In spite of this, I'd still give it at least a bit of a shot, because most of us have enough peculiarities and deviations from the categories we are placed in to merit experimentation. I don't regard this "diagnosis" as a pathology, as much as I do regard it as a personality trait. I sometimes speculate that I might have an undiagnosed form of this, but I will say that in my personal life I have enjoyed the company of autistes much more than normies, so I think that the disinclination to fellowship is in no small part about finding people of like mind.

@LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche Your body is an endowment from the divine. Letting it be a pale image of what it could be is spitting in the face of that source.

It is basic physical maintenance and an enhancement of your kinesthetics, discipline and physical capacity.

You didn’t skip out on the gym because of the pop-culture distillation of that knowlege: “You need to go to the gym for yourself”

You skipped out of the gym because you don’t want to take care of yourself, you like being lazy, you like not trying, it’s the easiest thing in the world to not meet standard by just not setting any for yourself.

But that doesn’t mean there isn’t a standard that those who have reached it can see you not only wont, but cannot.

@SpaceElf @NEETzsche
Obvious gaslight is obvious.

@LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche You perceive it as gaslighting, but only because you refuse to do the minimum to take care of yourself. It is 3 days a week for thirty minutes.

You're not being smart, seeing some greater truth. A man should be strong, disciplined, able to endure a little inconvenience or he's just an unsightly child, a burden on those around him.

It's pathetic.

@SpaceElf @NEETzsche
Just get it out.
I don't even care why did my post trigger you, but if you really need to feel superior to a rando on the internet, so be it.

@LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche I don't want to be superior to you. I want you to brush your teeth and bathe you fucking spastic.

@SpaceElf @NEETzsche
And you think that shaming will help you change the world?

Men don't react to shame, but guild. Just a slight advice for the next time.

@LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche What I thought was that you were an adult. That I could illustrate to you that you were failing to perform basic self care, that you were neglecting your responsibilities and failing other people. That it was unpleasant for those who can give you opportunities and would keep said opportunities from your reach, because you’re broadcasting you are weak and lazy.

I tried to remind you that you’re failing yourself by choice, out of sheer laziness, wreathing it in childish complaints, like so very many ‘men.’

I clearly thought wrong because you reacted to being told to do the basic self care routine every adult man should be doing with revulsion and arrogance elsewhere in the thread out of a defensive reflex to protect your man-child status.

But this is an open forum and if I can’t get through to a shameless pig like you, maybe I can plant the seed of a little personal responsibility in someone else.

@SpaceElf @NEETzsche
Have a nice day asshole.

@LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche

@SpaceElf @LukeAlmighty Shaming tactics only work on people who you have power over. I don't think you have power over this guy.

@SpaceElf @LukeAlmighty Bro fuck off with this crap.

@LukeAlmighty @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche But only if you do it for yourself will you stick to your training plan, doing it for others doesnt work, I tried

@LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche Your body is that bridge. Do it for yourself

@applejack @NEETzsche
I know you're trolling, but the worst part is, that you don't understand just how destructive that advice is.

I don't have a problem with the way I look. I don't need to look better for myself.

Asshole.

@LukeAlmighty @applejack @NEETzsche keep working out because it's healthy and you become a better, more stable version of yourself by not only getting physically stronger, but developing the mindset for building positive habits/routines.

the only one who controls that mindset of feeling "dehumanized" is yourself, and if you TRULY feel like you are not human for going to the gym then why are you still going?

the girls aren't going to like you just for the fact that you have big muscles. it just plays into the rest of your perceived personality. working out builds not only your body but also your character. what they see is a man who has a good lifestyle and is in such a headspace where he can maintain consistency, remaining committed to something that can't be forgotten about.

what you feel about yourself is going to naturally extend to how others perceive you. focus on building up yourself first, and from that will come opportunity. calling people assholes for trying to give you genuine advice makes you look like the idiot in the room, and people will think that no matter how physically strong and toned you become.

it's not about simply looking better. it's about BEING better through time, commitment to the process, and doing it for reasons that aren't vain or a perceived easy ticket.

@beardalaxy @applejack @NEETzsche

@LukeAlmighty @applejack @NEETzsche if you wanna just complain about it and be standoffish that's your prerogative, but just realize it isn't going to get you anywhere and that doing something you hate just because you think it will make people like you won't change anything about whether people like you or not. at least, not for the right reasons. it's about the process.

if you were to ask any guy in the gym or on body building forums or whatever they'd give you pretty much the same advice. doing things to get some result that will satisfy someone else is only as good as that person will take it as, but doing something for yourself that will make you stronger and just a better person in general will naturally radiate to others (the right kind of people) and improve your quality of life. if that isn't something you have learned yet in your life, it is something you will learn eventually and now is the perfect opportunity to capitalize on it from listening to people who have already experienced it before you end up getting burned.

this is one of the best lessons i ever learned. doing things that will build myself up instead of chasing the acceptance of others is much more fulfilling and improves the quality of relationships while stripping away the fat of vapid ones that only exist on the basis that i am to their liking at all times. that's arbitrary and keeps you from growing.

@beardalaxy @applejack @NEETzsche
No, I wanted to share my thoughts on an unpleasant experience, and I received bunch of idiots repeating the exact reason, why I used to think, that every single fit person on planet is a total asshole.

@LukeAlmighty @applejack @NEETzsche i don't know how you hear someone say "do things to better yourself, not to please other people" and think that they are an asshole. it's standard life advice you will find everywhere, not just from fit people. if your reason for doing something is to make people like you, then you're are doing it for the wrong reason. do it for yourself, and the quality people will like you because of that. do it for other people, and the vain ones will like you right up until you no longer do that anymore, or there is something else they want you to do that you won't.

i'll remember this conversation and never give you advice again if this is how you're gonna' act about it.

@LukeAlmighty @applejack @NEETzsche it's not like we're trying to give you advice because we think we're better than you or we're trying to flex on you or anything, at least for me i actually want to see you succeed and be a better you. i wish that for everyone.

@beardalaxy @applejack @NEETzsche
You personally do, but then, there are posts like this:
https://leafposter.club/objects/2e30045d-b1c5-4ef6-a9f5-cf246be0d8bf

So excuse me, that I got a bit on the edge, when I hear on repeat the same retarded line I have outright said means nothing to me in this exact context. I don't need to look like Henry Cavill to sit in front of PC for 12h a day. And the fact, that I focused on studying does not mean I have no "positive habits".

And I got to hear all of that shit, while I was on my way to the fucking gym. All because you guys cannot fathom, that I don't plan on looking at a mirror 20 minutes every morning to pleasure myself or something.

@LukeAlmighty @beardalaxy @applejack Lol don't let random fags on the computer get to you man. The people who get the most aggressive about this sort of thing are doing it to compensate for the fact that they themselves have no positive traits. They're just looking for a reason to judge everybody else. And you gave it to him: you don't like being in the gym!

@NEETzsche Thanks.

@LukeAlmighty @applejack @beardalaxy @LukeAlmighty @beardalaxy @applejack @NEETzsche am I an asshole in your book?

@Kagekokoro @applejack @beardalaxy @NEETzsche
Well, while you wrote 5 responses, none of them were so toxic as the average response to that post.

Also, I wouldn't like to call you that based on a single topic anyway.

@LukeAlmighty @applejack @beardalaxy @LukeAlmighty @applejack @beardalaxy @NEETzsche
I can just vouch for the benefits fitness/gym has given me, but to each their own, and I just happen to like working out, gets my head off work, its like meditation in a way

@LukeAlmighty @applejack @LukeAlmighty @applejack @NEETzsche then dont go to the gym, whats the issue here?

@applejack @LukeAlmighty @applejack @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche
Your body is your temple
Mens sana in corpore sano

@Alt-fons
Considering, just how much did some people in here get triggered, I think I'm good.

In the spirit of my beloved board, I will unfortunately have to accuse you of being Israeli intelligence, due to you posting a slightly demoralising post.

@Alt-fons
Only a glowie could write something that ignorant.

@dave
Nah, I am happy you think I have friends though :D

@dave
Also, I tried going with a gym buddy.
He got butthurt, that I didn't share his enthusiasm for gym-bro culture.

@LukeAlmighty Lol you should at least try it out first. Nothing wrong with getting pumped about working out.

@dave
I have literally said that I've tried

@LukeAlmighty No, I mean try to be enthusiastic about gym culture

@dave
That is physically impossible.
And I thought that facts that simple don't have to be said.

@vandys
Nah, I was insane long before covid.