@amerika @Mr_NutterButter @NEETzsche
There are no christians in foxholes
@NEETzsche @amerika @Mr_NutterButter
The argument of "there are no atheists in foxholes" is just retarded. Yes, people, who are afraid of death pray. Of course they pray, when they KNOW, that they will never again feel the wind. They will never again taste a food. They will NEVER talk to their loved ones and obviously, at that point, you will beg anyone including beings you don't believe in, just to find a way to avoid it.
But, all of that is rooted in fear of death. Something, that by the same level of pub logic, no christian should be afraid to begin with.
@NEETzsche @amerika @Mr_NutterButter
Nah.
Fear of death is real. Who would have thought? 🤷♂️ But fear of death is hardly a proof of God.
@amerika @Mr_NutterButter @NEETzsche
> Then again, is anyone really an atheist?
Yes. The belief in god is a positive belief.
I am not saying, that I have a proof that he doesn't exist with 100% certainty. I am atheis BECAUSE I don't have a reason to believe he does.
But that is different from claiming the oposite as a certainty. Some atheists do that, but I absolutely don't see it as a requirement.
And I refuse to use the word "agnostic", because at that point, we're getting into a politics levels of pseudo definitions.
@amerika @Mr_NutterButter @NEETzsche
Then your definition is insane
An atheist is someone who doesn't believe in any god. You can break it down by etymology: a(without)theist(god). We can go into Leddit distinctions between different kinds of atheists, like those who positively assert the non-existence of gods vs those who are merely skeptical enough of them to not think they're real given the information they have, but I don't think it's really germane to this conversation, beyond this point:
The conversation is what does foxhole prayer entail. I don't think it entails the existence of God. I do think it's an indicator that the atheist in question is not very confident in their atheism, that they become pliant to theism in dire circumstance. It's a statement on the personality and views of the person foxhole praying. It's not a statement on external, objective reality. Quite a few believers lose their faith given hardship or the fear of imminent death. This is a two way street.
@NEETzsche @amerika @Mr_NutterButter
Well said.
From my side, I believe, that the christian belief in God is deeply rooted in the fear of inevitable death. Therefore, someone breaking in the foxhole is completely natural and just confirms the nature of christian belief.
I also think, that most christians live already "broken" by fear of death for their entire lifes.
But also, I don't see people trying everything including a prayer in such an extreme situation as them in fact being sure, that God DOES exist. That is a huge jump in logic.
@NEETzsche @amerika @Mr_NutterButter
Sure, there is a lot of philosophy, that I LOVE about christian thought.
But fear of death is the entire premise of "no atheists in foxholes."