@MisterRogersSnapped @MK2boogaloo @matrix @SouvlakiSmuggler @Zyklon_Dan @colonelj @repent @adolf @verita84
Only one I wouldn't quote myself is the guardian one, and not even cause it's The Guardian. But they cite a biography book, that let's face it, it's probably based on rumors and hearsay. At least with the medical stuff you have actual evidence and medical records.

@alyx @MK2boogaloo @matrix @SouvlakiSmuggler @Zyklon_Dan @colonelj @repent @adolf @verita84 How long after the destruction of Nazi Germany were these records found? If I showed up with paperwork saying Abraham Lincoln had a 9 foot dick he kept in his stovepipe hat like a pet ball python but the paperwork looked real would you just accept it?

@MisterRogersSnapped @MK2boogaloo @matrix @SouvlakiSmuggler @Zyklon_Dan @colonelj @repent @adolf @verita84

Define "looked real"? Cause there are tests that can be done on the paper and ink to certify the time period, so you'll know it's not some recent scam someone is pulling.

It could still potentially be a century old prank, of Hitler's war buddies, making it seem like he lost his testicle, but the farther away you get, the least likely it is that someone would hold on to a document they faked for a stupid prank.

@alyx @MK2boogaloo @matrix @SouvlakiSmuggler @Zyklon_Dan @colonelj @repent @adolf @verita84 Okay then let's do those same tests on the Diaries of Anne Frank. In fact let's publish them unabridged and see what people think. We should probably test the handwriting in them against Otto Frank's as well.

While we are at it we could get into Helen Keller and what a fucking scam that was.

Or more recently Stephen Hawking. That was faked right before your eyes.

I don't really want to defend Hitler, but coming up with shit 80 years after the fact smacks of "Thomas Jefferson fucked his slaves!" (He didn't but his cousin did)

Truth is, you want those things to be true because the rulebook states you must humiliate your enemy. For the same reason the blood libels (which I don't believe in, by the by) worked for a millenia. Humans will believe anything if they want to.

@MisterRogersSnapped @MK2boogaloo @matrix @SouvlakiSmuggler @Zyklon_Dan @colonelj @repent @adolf @verita84

>Okay then let's do those same tests on the Diaries of Anne Frank
I don't have any issues with this. :blobshrug:

I feel like I should know what you're referring to surrounding Helen Keller, but I don't. And I have no clue what you think was faked about Hawking. Any clarification on these two things would be appreciated.

@alyx @MK2boogaloo @matrix @SouvlakiSmuggler @Zyklon_Dan @colonelj @repent @adolf @verita84

Lol here is where you try to expose what I have to say and shame me for it. I see you but I don't mind.

Helen Keller was deaf and blind. No one before or since with this affliction could ever understand or communicate complex ideas the way Helen Keller did. Because she didn't. All of her ideas and opinions magically mirrored the feminist views of her caretaker Anne Sullivan.

Stephen Hawking communicated rapidly by twitching a face muscle through a computer in a time period where that technology was what... only available to him? Also how long can a dude live with ALS? There is evidence that his colleagues and the government used him as a front facing sympathetic figure.

@MisterRogersSnapped @MK2boogaloo @matrix @SouvlakiSmuggler @Zyklon_Dan @colonelj @repent @adolf @verita84

>All of her ideas and opinions magically mirrored the feminist views of her caretaker Anne Sullivan.
That's reasonable. I thought you were gonna say something like "she wasn't actually blind&deaf". If her caretaker was feminist or whatever, it makes sense that she'd mirror whatever education she received. Just like so many university students today get brainwashed in the most crazy ideologies.

>Stephen Hawking
Regarding his face blinking or muscle twitching or whatever it was interface, that was more recent indeed. Well into 2010s I think. Made by Intel IIRC. Don't know much about this one, I'm more familiar with his prior, finger-click interface. But I don't think they were that different in one crucial aspect: they were anything but rapid. From my understanding, any speech he made, was in no way "live". He prepared every single word, maybe even weeks in advance, and he'd just hit play when put on the scene. If someone made you think anything he said was "spontaneous" in any way, they basically lied to you.

As for "how long can a dude live with ALS", you'd have to ask his doctors. As far as I'm aware, his case is considered a miracle that they don't really understand yet.

>used him as a front facing sympathetic figure
This one I find hard to believe because interviews and speeches from him are pretty hard to come by, which is odd just going by the fact that he's been called the Albert Einstein of our generation. He's definitely an important figure, but if someone wanted to use him like that, they didn't manage to do it very well. They also chose a poor target, because it would be hard to parade him around to give talks and such, like they do with Greta Thumberg. I'd have an easier time believing this about Neil deGrasse Tyson.

Didn't mean this as a way to "expose" anything. Was legitimate curious, especially about Stephen Hawking, cause I've found him an interesting figure since I was a kid, and read a few books of his.

@alyx @MK2boogaloo @matrix @SouvlakiSmuggler @Zyklon_Dan @colonelj @repent @adolf @verita84 Oh dude I'm sure she was blind and deaf. I'm saying Anne Sullivan wrote all of it. In fact I think it makes Helen Keller's story a sadder tale. I think she was used.

But she was also fed and warm and alive, so screw it I guess.

@MisterRogersSnapped @MK2boogaloo @matrix @SouvlakiSmuggler @Zyklon_Dan @colonelj @repent @adolf @verita84
>I think she was used.
Honestly, I could believe that. From what I remember about her story, is that she couldn't communicate with anyone until she was like 5-7 years old. Children lost in wilderness and recovered late in their development like this are really hard to be raised properly and usually lack the full intellectual development of an adult human. So I can definitely see Helen Keller be ripe for all sorts of manipulation.

@alyx @MisterRogersSnapped @MK2boogaloo @matrix @SouvlakiSmuggler @Zyklon_Dan @colonelj @repent @adolf @verita84 What if Helen Keller never existed? She could never feel, hear see or speak. How is such a person able to write books. The entire story is ridiculous.

@maxmustermann @MK2boogaloo @matrix @colonelj @MisterRogersSnapped @repent @SouvlakiSmuggler @Zyklon_Dan @adolf @verita84

>What if Helen Keller never existed?
I mean... clearly a person calling herself Helen Keller existed... :peepoShrug:
youtube.com/watch?v=8ch_H8pt9M

I honestly don't even see a use in speculating whether she existed or not.
And if you can't imagine how one can communicate thoughts and ideas in different ways than you, than you lack imagination.

@alyx @MK2boogaloo @matrix @colonelj @MisterRogersSnapped @repent @SouvlakiSmuggler @Zyklon_Dan @adolf @verita84 Let me get it straight: You believe, a person who neither speaks, feels, can see nor hear who grew up in the wilderness has somehow dictated radical feminist to a her caretaker, correct?

Any 70s cult had more reasonable believes and these were batshit insane.

@maxmustermann @MK2boogaloo @matrix @colonelj @MisterRogersSnapped @repent @SouvlakiSmuggler @Zyklon_Dan @adolf @verita84
Dictated, sure. Whether the thoughts themselves actually originated from her, or she just basically repeated what she was taught, that I don't now. Even today plenty of kids come out of university saying and writing a lot of marxist bs. Doesn't mean the ideas are their own.

@maxmustermann @MK2boogaloo @matrix @colonelj @MisterRogersSnapped @repent @SouvlakiSmuggler @Zyklon_Dan @adolf @verita84
>Hollywood trickery
What, in the 50s? You for real? That's even before the fucking Moon landing. Thinking they had the tech back then is bad enough, now we're going back almost another 2 decades?

@alyx @MK2boogaloo @matrix @colonelj @MisterRogersSnapped @repent @SouvlakiSmuggler @Zyklon_Dan @adolf @verita84 This is such a beautiful attempt. You are conflating something that could be easily staged

- Making footage of Keller with her handler and make claims that she could sense her handler coming.

With something that is a lot harder to fake and a hell of alot more expensive to make; Footage of the Moonlanding in a Studio.
@maxmustermann @alyx @MK2boogaloo @SouvlakiSmuggler @Zyklon_Dan @adolf @colonelj @matrix @repent @verita84 just so I can pick a side, who here believes in the moon landing and who doesn't?

I think we went to the moon but the footage was faked.

@MisterRogersSnapped @MK2boogaloo @matrix @SouvlakiSmuggler @Zyklon_Dan @colonelj @repent @adolf @verita84 @maxmustermann

You guys went to the moon, the footage is real, (if it were fake it'd look a lot better), but people have a poor understanding of photography so they keep thinking it's completely fake. What NASA probably did/does is slightly touch up photographs to make them look better, or fix problems that occur with big pictures that are composed of smaller, stitched together ones.

@alyx @MK2boogaloo @matrix @SouvlakiSmuggler @Zyklon_Dan @colonelj @repent @adolf @verita84 @maxmustermann Was that footage transmitted from the moon to the earth the day they landed on the moon? That's where it gets muddy for me.
@MisterRogersSnapped @alyx @MK2boogaloo @SouvlakiSmuggler @Zyklon_Dan @adolf @colonelj @matrix @maxmustermann @repent @verita84 I've always figured the television transmission was real, but any film or photographs that were taken were exposed to radiation and destroyed during the return trip, making it necessary to fake them to avoid embarrassment.
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