>A new CDC study says mask mandates may work. It studied mandates in 10 states March-October. The study stopped in October. And look what happened after October in the exact same states they were studying Down pointing backhand index. Now, how did they miss that big mess?

@colonelj
Question: how were the cases evolving in the rest of the country from October onward? What other major events took place that could help explain rises or falls in case numbers? What other safety measure were enforced or lifted during those times?

Point is, there are a lot of variables, and you're not accounting for any of them.

@alyx only thing you need to know is masks don't work (for the general public) as stated by previous U.S. Surgeon General Jerome Michael Adams
@alyx and as previously stated by Dr. Fauci until they were pressured into reversing course

@colonelj
You're a moron, you know that, right? Fauci literally admitted they lied to the people because they wanted to prevent people from buying up all the masks and ensure doctors still had access to them.
Don't get me wrong, that was the single most idiotic move he made in his entire life, and he should have had his career destroyed for that single lie, I have no love for Fauci.
But seriously, stop being a dumb ass. If masks weren't effective, why in the hell do doctors wear them, not just now with covid, but during things like surgery?

@alyx
>Fauci literally admitted they lied to the people because they wanted to prevent people from buying up all the masks and ensure doctors still had access to them.

source?

Doctors/surgeons wear masks when there's a risk of getting bodily fluids (not breath) in their mouths but it's also not to contaminate surgery patients who are supposed to be operated on in sterile environments, but in-hospital surgical wound infections are still common despite these efforts.

@colonelj
>sauce
His own words, dumb ass. Look it up.

I think you mean "not to not contaminate", and you're still a moron, because that's precisely their main function. It stops your breath from directly reaching whatever open wound they're operating on, and preventing their mouth germs from reaching the patient.

>infections are still common
Because there's no such thing as a perfectly sterile environment. But every measure they take helps reduce the risk. Going by your logic, why should doctors even sterilize their tools, infections still happen so clearly sterilization doesn't work.

There are literally side by side comparisons of how far your breath reaches with and without a mask on, even on fucking Youtube. Or just do this, take a lit candle and blow it off. Then lit it again, put a mask on, and try to blow it off by blowing with the same intensity.

@icedquinn @alyx there was indeed a n95 shortage and it is definitely more important healthcare workers receive them first, but I feel it Fauci is lying here in saying that masks suddenly work. they don't. I am not denying that Fauci is a liar, they are, I'm just denying that they lied at the beginning when saying that masks don't work. They never said this.

>Fauci: Right now, people should not be worried. There's no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you're in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet but it's not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And often there are unintended consequences. People keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.

>LaPook: And can you get some schmutz sort of staying inside there?

>Fauci: Of course, but when you think mask you should think of health care providers needing them and people who are ill. The people who when you look at the films of foreign countries and you see 85% of the people wearing masks that's fine, that's fine. I'm not against it if you want to do it that's fine.”

And even there when first saying it Fauci says if you want to wear a mask that's fine.

https://wbckfm.com/if-dr-fauci-lied-once-about-masks-what-stops-him-from-lying-again/
@colonelj @alyx he did say not to wear masks and that it "might reduce a few droplets here and there."

now censored by google https://iceworks.cc/z/ckczv18jo00005iisepgs3fs0.html
@icedquinn @alyx fauci said not to wear masks and changed their mind, true, but they did not say masks do not work.

the lie was about preserving masks (mainly n95) for healthcare workers, not that masks do not work (and, for the general public, they don't)

@colonelj @alyx

While masks may block some droplets, Fauci said, they do not provide the level of protection people think they do. Wearing a mask may also have unintended consequences: People who wear masks tend to touch their face more often to adjust them, which can spread germs from their hands.

@colonelj @alyx that they actually provide zero protection is incidental :blobcatdunno:

@icedquinn @colonelj
Nothing to see here people, move along, clearly masks don't work, ignore the video showing why you should wear masks...

@alyx @colonelj they mitigate how much you are able to spread droplets to an extent.

they don't protect you from exposure.

if they did, why would it matter if someone doesn't wear theirs :blobcatthinksmart:

@icedquinn @colonelj
They're not supposed to protect you from others. They were never meant to do that. You'd need at least N95 masks to have some of that type of protection.

Sure it's not the selfish type of protection everyone wants, but that doesn't mean it doesn't protect society as a whole, and it does a good job at it when people stop being dumbasses about it.

@alyx not protecting the wearer qualifies as not effective, as hazmat gear. its why conservatives keep saying "masks don't work."

as far as preventing transmission, i dunno.

one of the pfizer researchers filed for an injunction in the EU stating they still are not using gold standard tests ("sangar sequencing") to prove cases or to research covid cases.

bulgarian BPA said the PCRs have no scientific backing (there isn't 'sure' way to detect covid, which other tests are calibrated to)

so as far as i'm concerned there is barely any evidence toward how covid does or does not transmit. but i'm not a white coat :comfyshrug:

@colonelj
@alyx @colonelj it appears the vaccines don't actually work, other than sometimes killing people, in that Merck cancelled theirs and AstraZenica was just cancelled/reduced from Africa citing limited usefulness. :blobcatdunno:

@icedquinn @colonelj
Don't know about Merck specifically, knew that one company cancelled their implementation because it wasn't successful. Yeah, it takes a lot of work to make vaccines, and until a working version gets released, there will be countless iterations that don't get good results (or any at all). I'm not surprised that some companies never managed to get a working version and decided to quit. But this has no implication on any other company's vaccine.

As for Africa, didn't a worse mutation develop there? Maybe AstraZenica is less effective on that new strain, and others work better. So they're changing to a different supplier. Again, doesn't mean jack shit for every other developed covid vaccine out there. Not to mention that this doesn't stop AstraZenica from further improving their version, and supplying a more effective vaccine in the future.

@alyx @colonelj health officials in other developed countries have maintained that vaccinated persons still have to mask and distance.

how does someone who is immune asymptomatically spread
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@icedquinn @colonelj
>health officials in other developed countries have maintained that vaccinated persons still have to mask and distance.

This happens for several reasons.
1) Immunity doesn't happen right away after taking a vaccine. So far, all covid vaccines require a booster shot, and you need to wait a while even after it for immunity to fully develop.
2) Immunity doesn't always develop. Even the best vaccines out there (not talking just about covid) probably have around 95% success rate. Meaning, you can still be in that 5% that can get the disease and give it to someone else. Considering covid vaccination is still in the low numbers, if you do happen to be in that 5%, and get covid, you have a high likelihood of transmitting it. If on the other hand, 90% of people were vaccinated, if you were in that 5%, even if you got covid, there's a low likelihood that someone around you could receive it from you, since they are statistically more likely to be immune.
3) Being immune doesn't technically mean you can't carry the virus at all. It just means that it doesn't get the chance to hurt you. But if it gets to multiply just a little in your mouth/nose, you can still technically transmit it to someone else. I do suspect that transmission rates should be lower though.

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@alyx @icedquinn @colonelj Masks are probably going to stick around for another year, maybe more

@Chk991 @icedquinn @colonelj
For now, I'm not seeing enough info to be able to make a prediction. Vaccinations are going about as I expected, but that part is still not done yet, so there's still plenty of time for unfavorable mutations to occur that delay any kind of plans.
If everything goes well, then yeah, maybe in a year or two masks shouldn't be needed anymore. But I'm not that optimistic yet.

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