>A new CDC study says mask mandates may work. It studied mandates in 10 states March-October. The study stopped in October. And look what happened after October in the exact same states they were studying Down pointing backhand index. Now, how did they miss that big mess?

@colonelj
Question: how were the cases evolving in the rest of the country from October onward? What other major events took place that could help explain rises or falls in case numbers? What other safety measure were enforced or lifted during those times?

Point is, there are a lot of variables, and you're not accounting for any of them.

@alyx only thing you need to know is masks don't work (for the general public) as stated by previous U.S. Surgeon General Jerome Michael Adams
@alyx and as previously stated by Dr. Fauci until they were pressured into reversing course

@colonelj
You're a moron, you know that, right? Fauci literally admitted they lied to the people because they wanted to prevent people from buying up all the masks and ensure doctors still had access to them.
Don't get me wrong, that was the single most idiotic move he made in his entire life, and he should have had his career destroyed for that single lie, I have no love for Fauci.
But seriously, stop being a dumb ass. If masks weren't effective, why in the hell do doctors wear them, not just now with covid, but during things like surgery?

@alyx
>Fauci literally admitted they lied to the people because they wanted to prevent people from buying up all the masks and ensure doctors still had access to them.

source?

Doctors/surgeons wear masks when there's a risk of getting bodily fluids (not breath) in their mouths but it's also not to contaminate surgery patients who are supposed to be operated on in sterile environments, but in-hospital surgical wound infections are still common despite these efforts.

@colonelj
>sauce
His own words, dumb ass. Look it up.

I think you mean "not to not contaminate", and you're still a moron, because that's precisely their main function. It stops your breath from directly reaching whatever open wound they're operating on, and preventing their mouth germs from reaching the patient.

>infections are still common
Because there's no such thing as a perfectly sterile environment. But every measure they take helps reduce the risk. Going by your logic, why should doctors even sterilize their tools, infections still happen so clearly sterilization doesn't work.

There are literally side by side comparisons of how far your breath reaches with and without a mask on, even on fucking Youtube. Or just do this, take a lit candle and blow it off. Then lit it again, put a mask on, and try to blow it off by blowing with the same intensity.

@icedquinn @alyx there was indeed a n95 shortage and it is definitely more important healthcare workers receive them first, but I feel it Fauci is lying here in saying that masks suddenly work. they don't. I am not denying that Fauci is a liar, they are, I'm just denying that they lied at the beginning when saying that masks don't work. They never said this.

>Fauci: Right now, people should not be worried. There's no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you're in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet but it's not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And often there are unintended consequences. People keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.

>LaPook: And can you get some schmutz sort of staying inside there?

>Fauci: Of course, but when you think mask you should think of health care providers needing them and people who are ill. The people who when you look at the films of foreign countries and you see 85% of the people wearing masks that's fine, that's fine. I'm not against it if you want to do it that's fine.”

And even there when first saying it Fauci says if you want to wear a mask that's fine.

https://wbckfm.com/if-dr-fauci-lied-once-about-masks-what-stops-him-from-lying-again/
@colonelj @alyx he did say not to wear masks and that it "might reduce a few droplets here and there."

now censored by google https://iceworks.cc/z/ckczv18jo00005iisepgs3fs0.html
@icedquinn @alyx fauci said not to wear masks and changed their mind, true, but they did not say masks do not work.

the lie was about preserving masks (mainly n95) for healthcare workers, not that masks do not work (and, for the general public, they don't)

@colonelj @alyx

While masks may block some droplets, Fauci said, they do not provide the level of protection people think they do. Wearing a mask may also have unintended consequences: People who wear masks tend to touch their face more often to adjust them, which can spread germs from their hands.

@colonelj @alyx that they actually provide zero protection is incidental :blobcatdunno:

@icedquinn @colonelj
Nothing to see here people, move along, clearly masks don't work, ignore the video showing why you should wear masks...

@alyx @colonelj they mitigate how much you are able to spread droplets to an extent.

they don't protect you from exposure.

if they did, why would it matter if someone doesn't wear theirs :blobcatthinksmart:

@icedquinn @colonelj
They're not supposed to protect you from others. They were never meant to do that. You'd need at least N95 masks to have some of that type of protection.

Sure it's not the selfish type of protection everyone wants, but that doesn't mean it doesn't protect society as a whole, and it does a good job at it when people stop being dumbasses about it.

@alyx not protecting the wearer qualifies as not effective, as hazmat gear. its why conservatives keep saying "masks don't work."

as far as preventing transmission, i dunno.

one of the pfizer researchers filed for an injunction in the EU stating they still are not using gold standard tests ("sangar sequencing") to prove cases or to research covid cases.

bulgarian BPA said the PCRs have no scientific backing (there isn't 'sure' way to detect covid, which other tests are calibrated to)

so as far as i'm concerned there is barely any evidence toward how covid does or does not transmit. but i'm not a white coat :comfyshrug:

@colonelj

@icedquinn @colonelj
There are multiple ways of achieving effectiveness bro.

You can contain the contaminant at the source or the destination. You can wear hazmat suits to protect you from radiation from nuclear power plants that don't have safety measures, or you can design a good power plant that doesn't leak radiation.

Or for diseases, you can wear hazmat suits near someone who has the black plague, or you can put the person with the black plague in his own plastic bubble.

It's be stupid to say the power plant safety measures, or that the plastic bubble isn't effective at preventing the spread of black plague.

@alyx @colonelj or give them antibiotics which IIRC kills the black plague these days.

@icedquinn @colonelj
>But Quinn, giving them antibiotics doesn't protect MEEEEE from getting it.
^This is basically the argument people make about masks, and it pisses me off so fucking bad.
Don't know how you'd go about treating black plague these days, but yeah, you can be protected yourself from something bad, by stopping that bad at the source.

@alyx @colonelj they have drugs that stop the plague these days.

they also have drugs that *might* stop the covid plague, but they're eerily hateful towards anyone who dares research it.

@icedquinn @colonelj
>but they're eerily hateful towards...
That's not something I've particularly noticed... As far as I can tell research does happen. There's caution when it comes to "miracle" cures that are way under-researched, effects aren't well known, so it's not safe to fully deploy them on full scale.

@alyx @colonelj there was literally a 100% fraudulent hit piece on HQCC in the form of a study that passed peer review in to the lancet showing it absolutely didn't work, was hailed from the rooftops about how prestigious journal proves HQCC bad, with only the small wrinkle that the study wasn't real and was actually funded by a competing pharma company to just say they did it. oops.

@icedquinn @colonelj
Is HQCC that thing Trump was recommending? Don't recognize the initials.
With that thing studies were very inconclusive. I remember the fraudulent one, and even without it, it wasn't clear if it actually helped people, or if it was a placebo effect. When Trump started talking about it, he only caused more harm, because it wasn't tested enough to be put in the public spotlight.
His attention to it just made anyone with TDS attack it as a means to attack anything and everything Trump stood for. It wasn't a "hateful towards research" issue, it was a "hateful towards something Trump supports" issue.

@alyx @colonelj they already had 200 cases where people had tested positive for covid, then after treatment, did not.

labs refused to follow the damn protocol (chloroquine+azithromycin+zinc) and fucked around with just using one of those on its own and claiming it didn't work.
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@icedquinn @colonelj
200 cases is not that many, and the recovery time wasn't shortened far enough to where the positive effect was clear.

>and fucked around with just using one of those
You do realize that testing a protocol needs to involve testing each individual component on it's own too. If it happens that only 1 component is the one that has effect, you don't want to give a patient anything more than that.

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@alyx @colonelj it's a good idea to test the thing the doctor did directly, and fuck around with variable isolation after establishing that did anything.

that isn't what they did.
@alyx @colonelj the chef said i made a spaghetti and meatballs, and they "inconclusively" found a pile of noodles on a plate wasn't delicious.
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