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@colonelj
Question: how were the cases evolving in the rest of the country from October onward? What other major events took place that could help explain rises or falls in case numbers? What other safety measure were enforced or lifted during those times?
Point is, there are a lot of variables, and you're not accounting for any of them.
@colonelj
You're a moron, you know that, right? Fauci literally admitted they lied to the people because they wanted to prevent people from buying up all the masks and ensure doctors still had access to them.
Don't get me wrong, that was the single most idiotic move he made in his entire life, and he should have had his career destroyed for that single lie, I have no love for Fauci.
But seriously, stop being a dumb ass. If masks weren't effective, why in the hell do doctors wear them, not just now with covid, but during things like surgery?
>Fauci literally admitted they lied to the people because they wanted to prevent people from buying up all the masks and ensure doctors still had access to them.
source?
Doctors/surgeons wear masks when there's a risk of getting bodily fluids (not breath) in their mouths but it's also not to contaminate surgery patients who are supposed to be operated on in sterile environments, but in-hospital surgical wound infections are still common despite these efforts.
@colonelj
>sauce
His own words, dumb ass. Look it up.
I think you mean "not to not contaminate", and you're still a moron, because that's precisely their main function. It stops your breath from directly reaching whatever open wound they're operating on, and preventing their mouth germs from reaching the patient.
>infections are still common
Because there's no such thing as a perfectly sterile environment. But every measure they take helps reduce the risk. Going by your logic, why should doctors even sterilize their tools, infections still happen so clearly sterilization doesn't work.
There are literally side by side comparisons of how far your breath reaches with and without a mask on, even on fucking Youtube. Or just do this, take a lit candle and blow it off. Then lit it again, put a mask on, and try to blow it off by blowing with the same intensity.
>Fauci: Right now, people should not be worried. There's no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you're in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet but it's not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And often there are unintended consequences. People keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.
>LaPook: And can you get some schmutz sort of staying inside there?
>Fauci: Of course, but when you think mask you should think of health care providers needing them and people who are ill. The people who when you look at the films of foreign countries and you see 85% of the people wearing masks that's fine, that's fine. I'm not against it if you want to do it that's fine.”
And even there when first saying it Fauci says if you want to wear a mask that's fine.
https://wbckfm.com/if-dr-fauci-lied-once-about-masks-what-stops-him-from-lying-again/
now censored by google https://iceworks.cc/z/ckczv18jo00005iisepgs3fs0.html
the lie was about preserving masks (mainly n95) for healthcare workers, not that masks do not work (and, for the general public, they don't)
@icedquinn @colonelj
Nothing to see here people, move along, clearly masks don't work, ignore the video showing why you should wear masks...
@icedquinn @colonelj
They're not supposed to protect you from others. They were never meant to do that. You'd need at least N95 masks to have some of that type of protection.
Sure it's not the selfish type of protection everyone wants, but that doesn't mean it doesn't protect society as a whole, and it does a good job at it when people stop being dumbasses about it.
as far as preventing transmission, i dunno.
one of the pfizer researchers filed for an injunction in the EU stating they still are not using gold standard tests ("sangar sequencing") to prove cases or to research covid cases.
bulgarian BPA said the PCRs have no scientific backing (there isn't 'sure' way to detect covid, which other tests are calibrated to)
so as far as i'm concerned there is barely any evidence toward how covid does or does not transmit. but i'm not a white coat
@colonelj
@icedquinn @colonelj
There are multiple ways of achieving effectiveness bro.
You can contain the contaminant at the source or the destination. You can wear hazmat suits to protect you from radiation from nuclear power plants that don't have safety measures, or you can design a good power plant that doesn't leak radiation.
Or for diseases, you can wear hazmat suits near someone who has the black plague, or you can put the person with the black plague in his own plastic bubble.
It's be stupid to say the power plant safety measures, or that the plastic bubble isn't effective at preventing the spread of black plague.
@icedquinn @colonelj
>But Quinn, giving them antibiotics doesn't protect MEEEEE from getting it.
^This is basically the argument people make about masks, and it pisses me off so fucking bad.
Don't know how you'd go about treating black plague these days, but yeah, you can be protected yourself from something bad, by stopping that bad at the source.
@icedquinn @colonelj
>but they're eerily hateful towards...
That's not something I've particularly noticed... As far as I can tell research does happen. There's caution when it comes to "miracle" cures that are way under-researched, effects aren't well known, so it's not safe to fully deploy them on full scale.
@icedquinn @colonelj
Is HQCC that thing Trump was recommending? Don't recognize the initials.
With that thing studies were very inconclusive. I remember the fraudulent one, and even without it, it wasn't clear if it actually helped people, or if it was a placebo effect. When Trump started talking about it, he only caused more harm, because it wasn't tested enough to be put in the public spotlight.
His attention to it just made anyone with TDS attack it as a means to attack anything and everything Trump stood for. It wasn't a "hateful towards research" issue, it was a "hateful towards something Trump supports" issue.
We asked a doctor that my mom worked with about the hqcc, ya know since we had the shit, and he said it definitely seems to work, but it has to be used early. There's a window it's very effective at suppressing the symptoms to get you through it, but it's basically worthless after that
@histoire @icedquinn @colonelj
Just remembered something, wasn't hqcc the one with known side effects on the heart?
In any case, how I understood it, it came down to them not being able to tell if it actually did work for those people, or if they only managed to give them the treatment early enough because those particular individuals had less severe forms, that had slower developing symptoms, so they were more likely to get better, faster, anyway.
there is a small amount of people who have heart incompatibilities, and retinopathy concerns for extended (4+ year, consecutive) use.
i mostly say we are lucky that most of this is probably overinflated, because the quality of science has been rather crap this whole event. an irish journalist found that in ireland, near the end of 2020, their government was still using busted PCRs as the sole determinant of covid cases.
it could have reduced their viral load by half and there is no way we would know because we're not using a testing method that is even capable of detecting it.