@NEETzsche
I don't get it. Why do all the open source fanboys LOVE to live in a perpetual state of denial? No matter how many times you explain the difficulty of using their stuff, instead of trying to figure out how to decrease it, they will spend their time just arguing that it's better that way.

(triggered by your comments on xmpp and my perpetual fight to learn the BASICS of how to use Linux.)

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@LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche linux, and pretty much any other FOSS out there, comes with a steep learning curve but once you get past that learning curve you end up with about the same amount of tinkering with shit you'd have on windows or other "proprietary" software once you start getting into more nitty gritty stuff. linux is nitty gritty by nature.

it's not nearly as intuitive as windows is, though, hence the learning curve. the most intuitive linux experience you can find is ironically one that just mimics windows or mac.

i like the idea of linux, and it is good to use for certain things for sure. but when i want shit to just work without *too* much finangling? why would i use linux over windows if i'm just playing a game? so i can brag i'm playing on open source software while i'm getting 20-30 FPS less and i had to add a bunch of launch arguments to make it work in the first place? not worth it. that's how most people see it because most people really don't need a computer to do anything more than basic tasks and video games.

@f_o_u_r_t_y @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche ever tried playing games on a laptop with a dedicated gpu and an integrated gpu using linux? i swear that shit is actually impossible, i could never get it to use my dedicated gpu no matter what i did. on windows it's as simple as changing the power setting.

like i said, linux is just super unintuitive. hardened, and free, and super customizable... but horribly unintuitive. i'd rather spend time working on/playing stuff than troubleshooting it.

some people actually do enjoy the whole troubleshooting nature of it though, and i'd be lying if i said i didn't for the most part (i really do love fucking around with technology). it gets to a point though where it would be nice if i didn't have to. or, to a point where i have exhausted every resource and the thing just still doesn't work, which has only happened to me using linux lol.

@beardalaxy @f_o_u_r_t_y @NEETzsche
Also, I just don't know where to start learning.
As I said with the file system, I watched many videos, and ALL of them were like: here are the folders....

And since most people use Linux as a server instead of a main OS, the entire sphere of guides is about how to install Appache and... yeah, that is all you'll ever need.

@f_o_u_r_t_y @beardalaxy @NEETzsche
What clarification do you need?
C:\ does not exist, and neither does D:\
And since everyone kept saying "Programs go here, settings go there", someone would assume, that there is a logic behind the exact amount of folders and their kinds. Especially, since everyone kept repeating: "your data goes to user folder", when I have literally never used that folder on windows for anything important.

Either the file system is complex for no reason, or people explaining it are absolute idiots.

@LukeAlmighty @beardalaxy @NEETzsche Oh I thought you meant like the in and outs of ext4 or something besides the folders

the root directory is pretty much C:\, some of the folders are just leftovers like the cdrom one
also I'm pretty sure most unix based systems are subject to The filesystem hierarchy standard to organize them if that answers your question
@LukeAlmighty @f_o_u_r_t_y @beardalaxy Only kind of. Linux has all kinds of wacky shit going on in it that's at once infuriating and also kinda neat once you learn how to utilize it
@LukeAlmighty @beardalaxy @NEETzsche well it's the closest equivalent but obviously they do different things, root has devices under it for example
if you share your computer, that documents folder becomes very important because if you save everything in another disk, everyone can see it, unless you set permissions manually. The "average user" thing to do is move the documents folder to the new drive and use it that way.

The linux/unix filesystem has the most important bits in common: /etc for config bin for system binaries and /lib for system libs. Mostly /etc is where people fiddle around. The assholes putting their stuff in /opt and putting settings there are degenerates and should be shot
Most things going there are monolithic static stuff, usually proprietary, that need to work "everywhere". But they all, without exception, recommend you use a specific user for it. Well. duh. Put it in that user's home directory. Which you are also encouraged to make "/opt/program". I usually just put this in /bullshit and config every path to be "~", just to spite them and my face (cause I'm ugly)

@Corfiot @beardalaxy @NEETzsche @f_o_u_r_t_y
So, that means, that the user folder works the same as on Windows, and all the other sub-folders are "don't worry about it" (like windows and program files)

Why cannot Linux teachers talk like humans for 5 fucking minutes?

@Corfiot @beardalaxy @NEETzsche @f_o_u_r_t_y
Btw, it's retarded to have half of my programs installed to programfiles and the other half to programs, but some people are just assholes about install paths on windows too.

#admininsanity, #bofh and #sexystallman?
That third one smells of socks and the second one is only AI bots discussing imaginary technical issues

@f_o_u_r_t_y @beardalaxy @NEETzsche @Corfiot
I just cannot believe how shitty the guides are when it comes to helping people acclimate to the new OS. :sadgery:

@LukeAlmighty @f_o_u_r_t_y @NEETzsche i just dicked around with it enough until i understood what was going on tbh, never watched any video guides

@beardalaxy @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche It's not so much the fact that Linux is FOSS but rather that it is a Unix-like operating system. Unix was meant for mainframes and servers, but some people ended up creating desktop environments for it.

I think Linux is actually good either if you are just using it for web browsing and word processing (assuming you are using a distro like Ubuntu, Mint, or Pop_OS) or using it for advanced stuff like programming and systems administration. Unfortunately, there is no in-between, yet.

I'd say that ReactOS and Haiku are more desktop user-friendly open source operating systems (ReactOS being a Windows compatible OS and Haiku being a BeOS compatible OS), but they are far from being usable right now. ReactOS has been in alpha since 1996 because they are trying to keep up with the latest version of Windows. I think right now, they are sticking to Windows 7 compatibility until it is virtually compatible with all Windows 7 hardware and software. Haiku is compatible with BeOS, which was an obscure desktop OS in the 90s. It's probably further along in development compared to ReactOS, but is still in beta state. Though, Godot apparently supports it.

@xianc78 @LukeAlmighty @beardalaxy @xianc78 @beardalaxy @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche The manuals and user "guides" for GNU, Linux, Unix, and the programs made for them and the like just suck. Documenting them to get newfags to learn them is even more difficult than just writing the software because of the audience alone. For example, if you're interested in tinkering a popular Linux distro, you'll eventually have to learn systemd. An official beginner's guide, however, doesn't exist. You'll have to rely on a web search and an online wiki just to understand how to even configure it for the first time. One of my favorite beginner's guides is unironically Gentoo Linux. They have a HANDBOOK over just a complex wiki, even if it could be a little unorganized sometimes. Too bad there's no official handbook for most Linux distros.
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