@matrix @matrix eurofags love to talk about "free" healthcare but they pay 60%-70% of all of their income in taxes and still have to wait a year for the most fucking basic medical procedures.
@sjw @matrix but will they go the way of canada?
>sorry we can't get you in to treat your heart attack until october, would you like to kill yourself instead?

@sjw @matrix @sjw @matrix I can't speak for the rest of Europe, but in the UK £12,570 and below is tax free, anything above up to £50,270 is then taxed at 20%.

If you earn £50,271 - £150,000 then your tax is 20% for everything 12,570-50,270, then everything above that then gets taxed at 40%

And anything over 150k is then taxed at 45% (so as it's a band system, not everything is 45%, if you lean £160k, only 10k of it is taxed at 45%) gov.uk/income-tax-rates

So a bit off from your 60-70%.

@Haych @sjw I don't know how it is in the UK, but you don't pay just income tax which by itself isn't that high, but you also pay insurance, pension, VAT and property tax which does add up to like 60%

@matrix @sjw @matrix @sjw National Insurance is 2%, pension is /optional/, and your employer has to pay at least 3%, and that's a personal private pension not with the government so not fair to include that.

Government pensions are covered by how many years you paid National Insurance at 2%

We don't have property tax but we have stamp duty but that's only when you buy a house over £250k, buy a house that's cheaper or rent forever and it's 0%.

So Tax at 20% for most people, NI at 2%, we're at 22%. Even if you chose to pay pension most people default to 3% (with work matching 3%) so that's 25% total.

Sure we do pay VAT on things, but the US has sales Tax, the difference is ours is country level not state level.

@Haych @sjw That doesn't seem that high.

Every percentage is from rough income (pretax).
Here in Czechia income tax is 15% (income over 48x of national average is 23% (it used to be called solidarity tax lmao)).

Health insurance is 13.5% for self-employed, for employees 9% is paid by the employer and 4.5% by the employee.
Pension is included in social insurance, which is 6% paid by the employee, 24.5% by employer, 29.2% for self-employed.

Tax from acquiring property got canceled, but property tax is still here and it's calculated from property size, type and location (higher population region = higher tax).

Plus you have VAT which depends on items.

I hope I got things correctly.

However I don't know what the real percentage people here pay to the state is, because you can write off various things.

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