@sim @_p@shitposter.club Well most African-Americans generally have similar opinions on these racially-charged political topics, so I could see why he would expect me to agree with him, but it's another thing to be "disappointed" in someone else just for their opinion.

Now thankfully, I don't really care what he thinks. Most of my brother's friends are pretty wack anyways. But it was still odd to me and a bit frustrating. Not because of what he thinks of me, but what that would mean for other black friends of mine who might feel how he does.

@realcaseyrollins @_p If he didn't take that expectation for granted then he shouldn't be disappointed in you having a different opinion. He would realise there is a diverse amount of opinions out there as well.

So you are worried about what your own black friends would think if they knew you held your opinion but they held one as he does? That would make sense. Especially considering it sounds a lot more conformist there.

@sim @_p@shitposter.club Yeah...it is frustrating because white people are (kind of) allowed to have different opinions on these topics, but black people aren't.

White privilege, I guess.

@realcaseyrollins @_p Haha. Is this the white privilege that black people allow white people to have?

@realcaseyrollins @sim @_p

I wouldn't even say that's white privilege, that's a damn echo chamber brought on by the stupidity of the masses.

It's the same shit they do on reddit, either you're woke or your the enemy.

@milo @sim @_p@shitposter.club In a word, tribalism.

@realcaseyrollins @sim @_p Quite literally tribalism.

@milo @sim @_p@shitposter.club I try to be a free thinker and not be tribalist but then that gets tricky when interacting with others because most people in society reside in ideological tribes.

@realcaseyrollins @_p @sim

Oh one other thing i hear get thrown a lot is as such. Think this one was from a [[white]] journo:

"White people containerize, Black people Internalize"

That line always came off as BS to me, since control of emotion is dictated by discipline and conscious control.

Mainly think that because I remember a time as a kid where strong emotion could just let loose, as I simply had no comprehension on how to temper them.

As for traumatic events though, all people internalize. It just seems to be a matter of what kind of event.

@milo @_p @realcaseyrollins Yeah. Also, if white people didn't internalise then I don't think white guilt would hold so much sway in the public opinion. Internalising is one tactic that humans have to help them survive situations they are in, especially when they don't have control over what is happening to them. It is worse for little children who hold even less control compared to the adults around them.

@sim @_p @realcaseyrollins internalization of guilt, or even hatred has to either breed from trauma, and/or brainwashing by drilling that guilt or hatred into them

@milo @sim @_p@shitposter.club

> drilling that guilt or hatred into them

This is actually still trauma, but a more social trauma.

@realcaseyrollins @sim @_p

It's more a malicious discipline that hijacks the same methods of teaching good morals.

> Kids are like little sponges, absorbing all the information around them and trying to make sense of it.

@realcaseyrollins @_p @sim i mean if you think about it, teaching good morals is sometimes traumatic, because it's usually in response to doing the wrong thing.

@milo
This is true. But teaching one bad morals and life lessons is damaging in the long run and causes more hurt and trauma later in life
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@realcaseyrollins @sim @_p to us looking down from the nosebleeds? Yeah. To the abusive single mother who only ever knew the pain and trauma? it's a day in the park.

@milo
Yeah. I mean it takes time to register trauma too, some people ignore it or tell themselves it's just normal.
@sim @_p@shitposter.club

@realcaseyrollins @sim @_p if that's all they ever know? it's often assumed to be normal until later in life, if circumstances change.

@milo @realcaseyrollins @_p Yeah, what is there a comparison for? Also, what if your reaction is normal but other people make it out to be a crazy reaction?

@sim @_p @realcaseyrollins

that's the million dollar question about societal norms.

@milo @_p @realcaseyrollins Yeah. Honestly, I feel like this was drilled into me but it's been hard to pinpoint where I picked it up. Also, who would gain from me hating myself? Deep question time...

@sim @_p @realcaseyrollins That's the crap part about the mind. It's easy to pick things up and never remember the context around why it's a good or bad thing to have.

@milo @_p @realcaseyrollins Yeah. This is why it is important to be able to re-examine your beliefs every so often, so that you can find out which ones are working for you to keep and which ones aren't, so that you can either tweak them or discard them in favour of something else.

@sim @_p @realcaseyrollins and it's also important to at least hear people out after a period of time, because either information changes or beliefs become invalid.

@milo @_p @realcaseyrollins Yeah, they can change over time. I think that it is important to be selective with this but it is also important to listen to those you are close to. Give them that space to have their opinions, to voice their needs and preferences. All the good stuff that we forget to check in with people on or take for granted. People need that space to be themselves.

@sim @_p @realcaseyrollins

Of course that's not even to say you should go opening pandora's box for ever single yahoo you've ever met.

Though it's probably petty when it's say an incendiary crime that had incomplete information is grounds for never speaking to someone again.

@milo @_p @realcaseyrollins Haha. Not to mention that it would be impossible to do this for every person you've met. You wouldn't have any time to yourself.

Possibly if you have strong feelings about that.

@sim
Whoa, that deep.

Reminds me of a question I meant to post last week but forgot; I wonder how many forms of mental illness aren't necessarily mental illnesses but more like mental injuries caused by constant trauma
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@realcaseyrollins @sim @_p

There's a very real form of child abuse that's created by mental illness. Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy.

@milo
Oh wow yeah that's some pretty dark stuff
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@realcaseyrollins @_p @milo Yeah, I'm full of deep questions. Still figuring out whether it is a blessing or a curse. It's not going to make me popular, so I guess it's a good thing I'm not missing out as I've never been popular.

Yeah. How many are them can be explained by how humans are hardwired? The more I look at how I respond, the more it makes sense given my own experiences rather than being something wrong with my brain. Like how else do we expect brains to react to trauma?

@sim

>Stop questioning authority
>become one with the hive
>no? ok whuite supremacist bigot, we're cancelling you.

damned if you do, damned if you don't :(

@realcaseyrollins @_p

@milo @_p @realcaseyrollins Yeah. That's why you gotta find the other outcasts, see if they are more accepting. Until you find your friends who do.

@sim @_p @realcaseyrollins

And in cases where what we have going on now? search out voices that have real working answers. Like Daryl Davis.

@milo @_p @realcaseyrollins I'm not familiar with that name but yeah. It probably helps to search out voices who dig into the topic more and know what is happening.

@milo @realcaseyrollins @_p Yeah, basically. "I'm disappointed in you!" It's sort of a guilt-trip thing to keep you conforming.

@realcaseyrollins @sim @_p Have you seen the Candace Owens statement? I don't agree with all of it, but most of it I do and it gets to this kinda ... groupthink mentality, right? Biden and every politician expects black America to vote unified ... but trapping people in a bloc, because of a common history to oppression, and not due to choice or other socioeconomic factors .. does put ideas about self identity in a cage

@djsumdog
I actually wasn't aware that she had made a singular statement, I don't really follow her 😂 She's the kind of person I'd expect to have talked about this 24/7 since the riots tho. But I've been hearing lots of black voices saying the same thing in the wake of #JoeBiden's statements.
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@realcaseyrollins @sim @_p https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1268280610818101248

@djsumdog @realcaseyrollins @_p What did she say? It is sad when they expect black people to vote unified. It's like they don't realise there is diversity here amongst voices and concerns they'll have. Nobody has the exact same experience, although sometimes it is similar but from their own perspective.

@sim
I think it's the same video as this one:
https://youtu.be/HTF-85H_E6o

It's 17 minutes long and I havent watched it yet, but I'll check it out later today.

@djsumdog @_p@shitposter.club