@realcaseyrollins @a7 The cops are state's instruments of violence, though. That's their literal function. You just shoot at whoever kicks in your door to do violence to you, and this stops rioters, it stops cops, it stops all of them.

@p @a7 Fair but in this case they are using the least possible violence to stop those terrorizing the nation. I'm cool with that. And actually bravo for the vanning cuz these are the least violent arrests I've seen in a bit.

@realcaseyrollins @a7 I'm not okay with it: they're demanding a government service to do something they can and should do for themselves. If everyone knows there's a 1-2% chance that you put a brick through a window and the occupants return fire means that there is a 0% chance bricks go through the windows in that area. So you need a small number of people willing to defend themselves and the riots don't arrive in your neighborhood. This means that the places getting looted have people marching in, burning buildings, unopposed. The government hasn't stopped it. The places that aren't getting looted are the places where the people shoot back.

@a7 @p

@realcaseyrollins @a7 The point he was making (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong) is it goes both ways: red flag laws are still law and order. The war on drugs? Law and order.

@p @a7 Wait why are we talking about red flag laws now

@realcaseyrollins @p because people are being grabbed for being suspected, or association. It’s classic shakedown tactics thats why so many are being released. They are trying to get them to snitch on people - because they have little information on people who did do something or they are trying to build webs of association and build nice little files on ideology and who to spy on. Thing is this shit has been happening for years - there is just a concentration of people of interest.

@a7 @realcaseyrollins @p do you have any sources that they're grabbed solely on suspicion and that any have been released?

@colonelj @p @realcaseyrollins every report of the incidents seem to be people being instantly released after not answering questions and asking for a lawyer… that implies something

@a7 @p @realcaseyrollins maybe they're lying. how it even be verified? i'm gonna need an article or interview or something.

@colonelj @p @realcaseyrollins you answer your own unanswerable question

how can it even be verified?

@a7 @p @colonelj with like proof or something, perhaps

@realcaseyrollins @p @colonelj prove to me aliens dont exist

@a7 @p @colonelj We don't know that aliens don't exist tho

@realcaseyrollins @a7 @colonelj "We don't know that this guy *isn't* a criminal."

@realcaseyrollins @p @colonelj it’s odd that you were praising the action- glad it was happening but now you are going “we dont have any proof that it is happening” … I dunno man any person who comes forward uncharged you will say is lying - any one who comes forward charged they are terrorist so ok. It’s a lose lose argument you are presenting. Even if they have a warrant they have to present the warrant to the arrested and tell them why they are arrested.

@a7 @p @colonelj If what they see saying can be verified I'll believe them. In general I'm just not a big fan of heresay.

@realcaseyrollins @p @colonelj except when its used to detain people - you seem to like that

@a7 @p @colonelj Arresting violent people is cool 😎

@realcaseyrollins @a7 That is what I think he meant by the cops seizing people's guns for being suspected of being alt-right.