This is the part where you pick a side in the #boogaloo tbh

@realcaseyrollins the sides arent real, they are two paths that lead to the same authoritarian end

@a7 There's the pro #antifa, #kek-adjacent anarchy & chaos side, and the law and order side. I'm not talking about authoritarianism here, and I'm not sure why you are either. Arresting violent criminals isn't authoritarian.

@realcaseyrollins keep drinking fluoride

@a7 I haven't tried it yet, I don't think it tastes good, from what I've heard.

@realcaseyrollins unlikely

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@realcaseyrollins @a7

There is another option.

riot good
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We wouldn't have a riot if we had more people taking notes from the Roof Koreans

I know me a dude, he flew in from Texas at the beginning of the riots. His friends called him up, said "RIOTS, GO TIME, 1992 HAS COMMENCED AGAIN" and he landed in LA, grabbed his rifle, and got on a roof. K-town was dead silent this time. They didn't even *try* to loot Koreatown. He ended up getting drunk on a roof talking about the old days with his buddies.

The places that burned? 100% places where the victims were shouting "halp me gubbamint" instead of "ON NE PASSEZ-PAS!"
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@p @a7

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This!!

But yeah frankly #boogaloo time is coming soon, the police are largely ineffective. The feds' success is our only hope to stem the coming civil war.

Save, of course, capitulation.

@realcaseyrollins @p authoritarianism isnt suddenly good because you like who its targeting

@realcaseyrollins @p well I guess too a lot of people it is- that’s the issue. Who will be capitulated in the next wave of authority? Your vote matters

@a7 @p "You can't arrest terrorists! That's authoritarian!"

LOL okay.

@realcaseyrollins @p doesnt it seem odd how theres always a new vaguely defined enemy in cycles

@a7 @p #Antifa isn't that vague bro

@a7 @p I'm proud to be the enemy of the violent. It's your prerogative, whether or not you want to do the same.

@realcaseyrollins @a7 The cops are state's instruments of violence, though. That's their literal function. You just shoot at whoever kicks in your door to do violence to you, and this stops rioters, it stops cops, it stops all of them.

@p @a7 Fair but in this case they are using the least possible violence to stop those terrorizing the nation. I'm cool with that. And actually bravo for the vanning cuz these are the least violent arrests I've seen in a bit.

@realcaseyrollins @a7 I'm not okay with it: they're demanding a government service to do something they can and should do for themselves. If everyone knows there's a 1-2% chance that you put a brick through a window and the occupants return fire means that there is a 0% chance bricks go through the windows in that area. So you need a small number of people willing to defend themselves and the riots don't arrive in your neighborhood. This means that the places getting looted have people marching in, burning buildings, unopposed. The government hasn't stopped it. The places that aren't getting looted are the places where the people shoot back.

@realcaseyrollins @p ok ill go take some guns from those i declared alt-right - you support government use of authority to target those that might be deemed dangerous for their ideas. So you should be ok with it.

@a7 @p

@realcaseyrollins @a7 The point he was making (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong) is it goes both ways: red flag laws are still law and order. The war on drugs? Law and order.

@p @a7 Wait why are we talking about red flag laws now

@realcaseyrollins @p because people are being grabbed for being suspected, or association. It’s classic shakedown tactics thats why so many are being released. They are trying to get them to snitch on people - because they have little information on people who did do something or they are trying to build webs of association and build nice little files on ideology and who to spy on. Thing is this shit has been happening for years - there is just a concentration of people of interest.

@a7 @realcaseyrollins @p do you have any sources that they're grabbed solely on suspicion and that any have been released?

@colonelj @p @realcaseyrollins every report of the incidents seem to be people being instantly released after not answering questions and asking for a lawyer… that implies something

@a7 @p @realcaseyrollins maybe they're lying. how it even be verified? i'm gonna need an article or interview or something.

@realcaseyrollins @a7 That is what I think he meant by the cops seizing people's guns for being suspected of being alt-right.

@realcaseyrollins @a7

@p @realcaseyrollins dorner did nothing wrong

@realcaseyrollins @a7 The only hope is that people vote from the rooftops. We've got the state's boots on our neck, or the commies' boots, and the only thing that stems it is if there is no war because it has become clear to all involved that there will be shots fired.

What Solzhenitsyn said about the NKVD kicking in doors was that if they knew they were risking their lives, they wouldn't have done it. They only found people huddling scared, they never kicked in a door and found the barrel of a shotgun.

You only need 1-2% of the people to shoot back when someone starts the violence and they will lose their guts. I'm already flying the black flag, it'll move outdoors if I hear a riot happen near here. Shit goes down, any shit, I'm giving myself a mohawk and giving no quarter. Enough neighborhoods follow suit and there will be no boog.
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@realcaseyrollins @p @a7 I’m sorry to tell you, but the glowing feds don’t work for the maintenance of social order, is quite the opposite. They are more occupied on baiting extremists on the internet to boogaloo and push the “there are white supremacist terrorists” than in actually do they supposed work.

@a7 @realcaseyrollins I asked one of my insane/far-left/wants a civil war friends who the sides would be in this new war. She said "same as last time: union vs confederacy," which of course, makes zero sense. She's a smart woman; startup founder, but she's solidly in the TDS camp. I think the vast majority of Americans do not want more war or violence. As far as the US Marshal arrests go, so long as they have evidence and warrants, there's still due process of law happening.

@djsumdog @a7 I think she's right about Confederacy in the sense that cessation is likely, tho

Also, they don't need warrants necessarily, if they see them commiting the violence, that's cool too. 😎

@realcaseyrollins @a7 I doubt we'd see any calls for secession. The vast majority of 🇺🇸 are for keeping the nation together. Ideology isn't split between states today; it's split between cities and non-cities, urban and rural. BLM is America's Sayyid Qutb. He tried to push Egypt to war, but the people abhorred the violence. That being said, I know a lot of people/friends who justified the violence/looting. With the pandemic, we're loosing surveillance into what our IRL friends actually think too.

@djsumdog @a7 We did see #CHAZ tho, and people are imitating that

@realcaseyrollins @a7 CHAZ didn't get the media attention it deserved. The majority of Americans don't know about the multiple shootings, police unable to get into the area, how the city assisted by providing toilets and barricades, the massive class action lawsuit ... the main stream media has kept that story from the vast majority of the US public. Still, thankfully, other cities have torn down and stopped other CHAZ style zones; so there's some hope that some mayors are paying attention.

@realcaseyrollins

I think the left is complaining about arrests of people not rioting.

@issdeinschnitzel Looks like they picked a side, then. Pro-voilence and rioting.

@realcaseyrollins

Maybe. But if they honestly think police is arresting and "disappearing" innocent people the didn't pick a side.

@issdeinschnitzel The fact they generally view them as innocent is proof that they did.

@realcaseyrollins

I understand, but I don't think it's true. There is so much disinformation coming from once trusted sources I am not convinced they know the truth.

@issdeinschnitzel Well I mean the thing is the disinformation convinces them to pick a side even if they don't understand what they're defending. I'm not saying they have bad intentions, but they're on the side of the bad guys nonetheless, even if they're good people.

@khird So long as you oppose stopping riots, you are fine enough with rioting to not support those against it.

@realcaseyrollins ah, but that's a different proposition. "Stopping riots" != "Feds arresting rioters".

Alice, for instance, opposes *arrests* because she sees them as an ineffective use of resources. In her view, the police can more effectively stop riots if they forget about making arrests and just chase rioters from the streets, so the feds are allowing the riots to continue longer than necessary by pursuing bad strategy.

In compsci we talk about separating mechanism from policy. The same idea applies here - the question of mechanism (should the feds be making arrests) should not constrain the choice of policy (are we fine with rioting).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_mechanism_and_policy

@khird

> In her view, the police can more effectively stop riots if they forget about making arrests and just chase rioters from the streets

False, that's been the policy for weeks on end, to just spray down the riot with gas until they disperse. It's been working pretty well, hasn't it?

> separating mechanism from policy

This is a good point, but I'm getting sick and tired of people endlessly putting forth plans that don't work and are literally being proven to be ineffective before our very eyes! At some point, one must wonder whether or not the ignorance is willful, or due to #MSM brainwashing. Proposing mechanisms that don't work (like just chasing rioters) does nothing to help anyone. I want plans that will help people.

@realcaseyrollins I'm not on the west coast, but it worked great here. The plywood is off the windows, the people protesting racism and the people protesting the mask order stand out of the way and shout at passersby, and life goes on.

The first few nights just saw the police outnumbered. Every arrest took two or more cops away from crowd control at a time when they needed every man they could get. Then policy changed, and they decided to just march down the street with pepper spray and tear gas if things got rowdy. Over the course of a few days, the story went from the crowd re-forming after being cleared, to the crowd dispersing after being cleared, to the crowd behaving and no longer getting cleared at all.

@khird Wow! That's an interesting story. I haven't seen any examples of this happening in major US cities, but I'm glad it worked where you live! 👍🏾 Peace is always good to see.

@khird Well see this is the reason we tried that first. Where you live, it worked out. In other places, not so much, unfortunately.