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I don't get it. Why do all the open source fanboys LOVE to live in a perpetual state of denial? No matter how many times you explain the difficulty of using their stuff, instead of trying to figure out how to decrease it, they will spend their time just arguing that it's better that way.

(triggered by your comments on xmpp and my perpetual fight to learn the BASICS of how to use Linux.)

@LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche linux, and pretty much any other FOSS out there, comes with a steep learning curve but once you get past that learning curve you end up with about the same amount of tinkering with shit you'd have on windows or other "proprietary" software once you start getting into more nitty gritty stuff. linux is nitty gritty by nature.

it's not nearly as intuitive as windows is, though, hence the learning curve. the most intuitive linux experience you can find is ironically one that just mimics windows or mac.

i like the idea of linux, and it is good to use for certain things for sure. but when i want shit to just work without *too* much finangling? why would i use linux over windows if i'm just playing a game? so i can brag i'm playing on open source software while i'm getting 20-30 FPS less and i had to add a bunch of launch arguments to make it work in the first place? not worth it. that's how most people see it because most people really don't need a computer to do anything more than basic tasks and video games.

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@beardalaxy @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche It's not so much the fact that Linux is FOSS but rather that it is a Unix-like operating system. Unix was meant for mainframes and servers, but some people ended up creating desktop environments for it.

I think Linux is actually good either if you are just using it for web browsing and word processing (assuming you are using a distro like Ubuntu, Mint, or Pop_OS) or using it for advanced stuff like programming and systems administration. Unfortunately, there is no in-between, yet.

I'd say that ReactOS and Haiku are more desktop user-friendly open source operating systems (ReactOS being a Windows compatible OS and Haiku being a BeOS compatible OS), but they are far from being usable right now. ReactOS has been in alpha since 1996 because they are trying to keep up with the latest version of Windows. I think right now, they are sticking to Windows 7 compatibility until it is virtually compatible with all Windows 7 hardware and software. Haiku is compatible with BeOS, which was an obscure desktop OS in the 90s. It's probably further along in development compared to ReactOS, but is still in beta state. Though, Godot apparently supports it.

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@xianc78 @LukeAlmighty @beardalaxy @xianc78 @beardalaxy @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche The manuals and user "guides" for GNU, Linux, Unix, and the programs made for them and the like just suck. Documenting them to get newfags to learn them is even more difficult than just writing the software because of the audience alone. For example, if you're interested in tinkering a popular Linux distro, you'll eventually have to learn systemd. An official beginner's guide, however, doesn't exist. You'll have to rely on a web search and an online wiki just to understand how to even configure it for the first time. One of my favorite beginner's guides is unironically Gentoo Linux. They have a HANDBOOK over just a complex wiki, even if it could be a little unorganized sometimes. Too bad there's no official handbook for most Linux distros.
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