@opal Datura is a meme. Yes people used it, still a meme. It's not an actual psychedelic it's a deliriant, it causes Insanity not psychedelia, because it is toxic. Taking datura is about as smart as dehydrating oneself until one hallucinates. But it's your right and I don't care what you do, just trying to help.

@Jazzy_Butts im fully aware its a toxic deliriant lol

@opal hypothetical question, would you ever do adrenochrome (if it was real, which it's not)

@Jazzy_Butts it... looks real?
>Adrenochrome is a chemical compound produced by the oxidation of adrenaline (epinephrine).
>C9H9NO3

@opal @Jazzy_Butts irs not "real" in that it doesn't have any psychoactive or delirious or otherwise usual interesting effects on perception. it's some chemical. it's on the level of acetone at best in terms of enjoyability id imagine. but there's the whole conspiracy theory that it's a drug taken by elites to stay young or whatnot

@tarperfume @Jazzy_Butts ive only really been keen about "challenging" drugs like psychedelics and such. i like to call it "drugs with personality" because depending on my current mindset it can completely change the course of an experience. i lump weed in with this

@opal @Jazzy_Butts weed is very much the same always for me except for the the very first time i took it which freaked me the fuck out but was very much a varied sensory experience. since then it's just a calm relaxant. i think my brain has a lot of inertia. it's psychoactively dull. some analogy for this

yeah, drugs that are fun are drugs that do more than stimulate/depress you. that challenge the idea you could imagine all the range if things you could feel or think about. if every trip can have so mahy factors as where, what mood, with whom, its so much more fun

@tarperfume @Jazzy_Butts
>the very first time i took it
oh god my FIRST experience was with a thc tincture and i dosed way too much for having no prior tolerance. this is what happened: i took it, i got tired and went to sleep at some point, i woke up into a full-blown trip with extreme cottonmouth, but... i had already done acid before, and i was aware i took thc earlier, so even though i couldnt tell which fucking way was up, the only negative response i had to it was that it was ANNOYING lmao. other than that it didnt phase me, it was an interesting as fuck trip regardless

@tarperfume @Jazzy_Butts my hands were shaking profusely as it took all my concentration and strength to go to the sink and pour myself some water and go back to bed and wait it out

@opal @tarperfume I had cevs from pot, had to smoke a lot of pot. Couldn't move. Equilibrium gone, room jittering like alcohol. Almost threw up. Was very taxing.

@opal @Jazzy_Butts lmao. i always wonder how these very heavy trips look from the outside

muttering, shaking, cursing. it sounds fun. i need to get fucked up again. i want to feel intense. it's scary when it happens but ive never per se regretted it afterwards.

@tarperfume @Jazzy_Butts i have no amnesia from that trip so i can safely say i was just shaking profusely and like... getting out of bed like it was a heavy lsd trip, trying to get my bearings. probably nothing too interesting. internally though, it literally felt like i was seeing my short-term memory process. best way i can describe it is when squidward is in that weird-ass void, but instead of that it was just a bunch of numbers and made-up words repeating themselves in my head like every second

@opal @tarperfume I called it "autopilot" when I was stoned and would just walk around doing things, I obsered myself going to get a sandwich and then veering off out of nowhere to go pee and all I could do was say internally was "Huh, guess I'm doing this now" like when SpongeBob had plankton controlling his brain.

@Jazzy_Butts @tarperfume i dont think ive had weed just direct my actions like that. i have the typical stoner "holy shit i completely forget what i was trying to do" often though

@opal @Jazzy_Butts getting ground into gray matter by repetition. you've had so many interesting experiences i could sit here and just listen to you talk about them for hours (if it wasn't almost 2 am)

@tarperfume @Jazzy_Butts my mind is an enigma

@opal @Jazzy_Butts and apparently the key to approaching it is spongebob square pants the tv show. i wonder if using the spanish version will produce warped knowledge or if the substrate beneath is the same

@tarperfume @Jazzy_Butts my ears would probably bleed because im not used to the voice actors. ive internalised most of seasons 1-3

@tarperfume @Jazzy_Butts i approach EVERYTHING in life in terms of spongebob at this point

@opal @Jazzy_Butts seems useful to have a monolithic reference point. how'd you get to that

@tarperfume @Jazzy_Butts lots of spongebob

@opal I could have sworn I've seen reports that scientists have come out and said the adrenochrome research was fraudulent, I have to look more into it, unfortunately that was years ago that I read that and now all I find when I look up adrenochrome is garbage articles about qanon

@Jazzy_Butts @opal datura dosing is also gambling with your life, since the toxicity is very variant

other deliriants are "safer" but ime they are weirdly addictive. buy as little as possible so you dont redose

@cummies @Jazzy_Butts this is why i only want to do it in my much later years if at all

@cummies @Jazzy_Butts as far as addiction, i find it nigh impossible to become addicted to any substance

@opal @Jazzy_Butts yeah i get that. in all honesty, your brain can likely recover from anticholinergic toxicity more easily when in your 20s. considering anticholinergic links with dementia, i would avoid after age 40 for sure

@cummies @Jazzy_Butts very reasonable, i mean ive been delirious before so i basically know what its like. i would pretty much only do it if i had a death wish or a terminal illness anyway

@opal @Jazzy_Butts if i have terminal illness im going dxm or opioids to my grave personally lol

@cummies @Jazzy_Butts dxm's meh the couple of times i done it

@opal @Jazzy_Butts i hear its shitty for like 1/3 of people. i had complete ego death on it and had to rebuild myself lol

@cummies @opal dxm is a disassociative and disassociation is so, so much fun. Disassociation feels so peaceful, it's such a relief, like finally turning off the switch in the brain that says "this is real, take this seriously, be stressed"

@Jazzy_Butts @cummies ive been chronically dissociative so we have a different relationship with it. i dont see dissociation as inherently uncomfortable, but i dont see it as a relief either

@Jazzy_Butts @cummies seeing this thread play out, it seems like you two have way fewer experiences with different states of consciousness than i do. i do appreciate the warning about datura causing neurological degeneration, that is actually a concern, but the rest of it i think you all genuinely dont know how deep ive went lol

@opal @cummies I pretend to know less than I do because that's safer.

@Jazzy_Butts yeah sorry i guess im mostly talking about @cummies then

@Jazzy_Butts @cummies like, you couldnt have assumed prior to this how i may react to salvia. from what i hear its a fairly unpredictable substance anyway

@opal @Jazzy_Butts i havent actually taken all that much, you're correct, but i did go very deep with that dxm trip fwiw. i cant go into detail about it here but i hit 4th plateau lol

@cummies @Jazzy_Butts i think ive experienced elements of 4th plat on other drugs already

@cummies @Jazzy_Butts ive had an OOB on weed, i can pretty much induce ego dissolution/replacement at will even without drugs, and i have occasional paranoia-based hallucinations. nothing really phases me too much

@cummies @opal I once took a large dose of benadryl and had very vivid waking dreams, I would nod out and enter a dream that I didn't know was a dream, then after a while I'd wake up in reality again confused, and unsure, but vaguely remembering what was going on, until it ended. Deliriant use is also dangerous because it increases the chance of Alzheimer's disease.

@Jazzy_Butts @opal i used a medicinal dose and felt awful lmao

@Jazzy_Butts @cummies largest dose of dph i took, it ended up just making me feel really heavy lmfao. nothing really psychoactively interesting happened, just huge body load

@Jazzy_Butts but as @cummies said a medicinal dose can actually be pretty dumb. ive had mild hallucinations off dph