When people call gaza getting roflstomped for what hamas did, hamas who they support, a genocide, I don't think they understand what a genocide is. Blowing up some buildings and burying suspected fighters is not a genocide even if it might be a warcrime. All gaza has to do is surrender, there are and have always been arabs in israel and they get along fine, gaza and hamas are assholes. Not a genocide. Fuck you.

@Jazzy_Butts 28k civilian fatalities and 2k possible fighter fatalities doesn't ring alarm bells in your mind? Glad you aren't in any positions of power :/

@ROYALTY @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business I haven't bothered looking at the numbers, but I blame every one of those deaths on Hamas.

@Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY @Jazzy_Butts well do research then because this issue and the mass displacement and genocide of palestinian arabs dates back much MUCH farther than october 7, 2023 and while i don't directly support hamas they're literally the closest thing to any kind of liberation force palestine has

for future reference, if you wanna talk about issues like these *and be taken seriously* then look at some numbers and, most especially, history. israel had already occupied way more land than just what palestine was as far back as the 40s, 50s, and 60s when they occupied parts of syria (which they still claim), and egypt (the sinai peninsula was returned after years of occupation)

these are delicate matters with decades (and in the case of the levant in general, centuries and millenia) of complex history and boiling it down simply to "israel attacking gaza because of hamas" is, quite frankly, pure ignorance on your behalf.

@pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY Ok sorry I picked the side that doesn't want to throw me off a roof.

@Jazzy_Butts @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY both sides would do so in a heartbeat, actually

@pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY I guess they must be keeping all those Israeli pride parade massacres secret because Israel looks like the only middle eastern country where people are allowed to be fucking gay.

@Jazzy_Butts @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts irrelevant, nobody is telling you to support hamas. What we're trying to tell you is that support for the past and current Israeli régimes isnt compatible with any sort of humanitarian or anti colonialist theory. But if you want support a gay accepting oppressive state, that on you. Just know that this same disregard and blind support is what lead up to the genocides of the 20th century.

@ROYALTY @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business Sorry hamas fa and fo, if israel had done the inverse and parachuted rapists into gaza and gang raped children in the streets and hamas blew the fuck out of Israel and killed everyone I'd be on their side. None of you are going to fucking convince me. This is not about groups, I am opposed to rapist pigs who proudly display their barbarism.

@Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts Russia showed footage that a good portion of the killings on oct 7th was by Israeli soldier basically shooting at random, to which Israel said it couldn't say they didn't kill anyone that day

Also

Show proof of the rapes, because else it's just a rumour

@Sp @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY You can see proof if you look on twitter, one woman was bleeding from her anus. But you knew that because you don't live under a rock.

@Jazzy_Butts @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY I do not use twitter

Show the proof because I have no reason to trust your word

What I do know is the lies Israel tells to justify a by the book genocide

@Sp @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY I don't do this proof shit, we either speak in good faith or you can suck one for all I care. I could be wrong but I believe muzzies have raped and if you say you don't believe my word about what I believe then you're calling me a liar and I'll have no reason to interact with you.

@Jazzy_Butts @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY Speaking in good faith means providing proof. I can source every single one of my claims or else I don't claim at all

To refuse to provide proof is literally bad faith argumentation

@Sp @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY I can't provide proof of a belief. I BELIEVE there were rapes. I could be wrong. Second time saying that now.

@Jazzy_Butts @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY Why do you believe it

@Sp @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY Because I have seen footage, and because I have studied human psychology.

@Jazzy_Butts @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY If you have seen footage you have proof
This it's not simply a belief but a fact
Thus you can show proof and is withholding for no reason at all

@Sp @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY I'm not withholding, you can easily go look, keywords like "hamas rape sweatpants jeep" will show you on twitter.

@Jazzy_Butts @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY I can find news about it but no video and the news don't provide sources

I don't doubt it happened. While war rapes are not omnipresent, Hamas doesn't have either the organization or the principles to avoid it

But don't forget Israel has both and it has thousands of charges of sexual assault per year, including dozens of rape

@Sp @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY and it is evil for every valid charge, I am very aware of prison slavery and state instituted rape, and I am against it everywhere.

@Jazzy_Butts @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY So at face value Israel is not better than Hamas, which would have had the opportunity to sexually sexually assault less than Israel does every single year,, but are being killed by the tens of thousands over????
What?
Over killing *at least some* (we know it was not all) of the victims of oct 7th

If you consider Israel innocent because Hamas attacked first, wouldn't that make israel bad again for supporting hamas in hopes this'd happen so they'd have an excuse to genocide?

@Sp @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY If I give someone a hammer in the hopes that they would kill someone with it so I in turn would have a justification to kill them, it doesn't make me responsible for their actions. They chose to be bad.

@Jazzy_Butts @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY That is true

But if you gave a serial killer a gun and removed defenses from the victims (israel had been reducing the amount of soldiers around gaza and putting them on the west bank)

And then when the serial killer shows up, you go and take a couple kills for yourself as well

I think that crosses a line

@Sp @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY You keep saying the Israelis intentionally killed their own people, and I do not agree. I believe every kill was collateral damage, and not an intentional set up to frame the Palestinians.