@ROYALTY @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business I haven't bothered looking at the numbers, but I blame every one of those deaths on Hamas.
for future reference, if you wanna talk about issues like these *and be taken seriously* then look at some numbers and, most especially, history. israel had already occupied way more land than just what palestine was as far back as the 40s, 50s, and 60s when they occupied parts of syria (which they still claim), and egypt (the sinai peninsula was returned after years of occupation)
these are delicate matters with decades (and in the case of the levant in general, centuries and millenia) of complex history and boiling it down simply to "israel attacking gaza because of hamas" is, quite frankly, pure ignorance on your behalf.
@pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY Ok sorry I picked the side that doesn't want to throw me off a roof.
@ROYALTY @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business Sorry hamas fa and fo, if israel had done the inverse and parachuted rapists into gaza and gang raped children in the streets and hamas blew the fuck out of Israel and killed everyone I'd be on their side. None of you are going to fucking convince me. This is not about groups, I am opposed to rapist pigs who proudly display their barbarism.
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Show proof of the rapes, because else it's just a rumour
@Sp @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY You can see proof if you look on twitter, one woman was bleeding from her anus. But you knew that because you don't live under a rock.
Show the proof because I have no reason to trust your word
What I do know is the lies Israel tells to justify a by the book genocide
@Sp @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY I don't do this proof shit, we either speak in good faith or you can suck one for all I care. I could be wrong but I believe muzzies have raped and if you say you don't believe my word about what I believe then you're calling me a liar and I'll have no reason to interact with you.
@Sp @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY I can't provide proof of a belief. I BELIEVE there were rapes. I could be wrong. Second time saying that now.
@Sp @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY Because I have seen footage, and because I have studied human psychology.
This it's not simply a belief but a fact
Thus you can show proof and is withholding for no reason at all
@Sp @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY I'm not withholding, you can easily go look, keywords like "hamas rape sweatpants jeep" will show you on twitter.
@luwa @pedmaus @Sp @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY They are mass raping for "fun" in the sense that they are attempting to send a powerful message, yes. And all armys rape, yes, and it does matter, even though everyone does it. If everyone murders murder is still wrong.
I don't doubt it happened. While war rapes are not omnipresent, Hamas doesn't have either the organization or the principles to avoid it
But don't forget Israel has both and it has thousands of charges of sexual assault per year, including dozens of rape
@Sp @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY and it is evil for every valid charge, I am very aware of prison slavery and state instituted rape, and I am against it everywhere.
What?
Over killing *at least some* (we know it was not all) of the victims of oct 7th
If you consider Israel innocent because Hamas attacked first, wouldn't that make israel bad again for supporting hamas in hopes this'd happen so they'd have an excuse to genocide?
@Sp @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY If I give someone a hammer in the hopes that they would kill someone with it so I in turn would have a justification to kill them, it doesn't make me responsible for their actions. They chose to be bad.
But if you gave a serial killer a gun and removed defenses from the victims (israel had been reducing the amount of soldiers around gaza and putting them on the west bank)
And then when the serial killer shows up, you go and take a couple kills for yourself as well
I think that crosses a line
@Sp @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY You keep saying the Israelis intentionally killed their own people, and I do not agree. I believe every kill was collateral damage, and not an intentional set up to frame the Palestinians.
@Sp @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY I don't know maybe because they trusted them to act moderately?
cheese
To refuse to provide proof is literally bad faith argumentation