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@formication @clora But they are monsters. They are literally broken human monsters. Like werewolves. See? Allegory. Metaphor. Easy to understand. So they're like werewolves, sometimes they may be perfectly nice people, but sometimes they change. And sometimes they're an asshole no matter if they're "transformed" (out of control self) or human (in control of self). When a person goes offline, off the rails, off script, for that moment they become less human (metaphorically). The more extreme the deviation from egalitarian norms, the more extreme the loss of humanity. Small things result in small loss, the larger the deviation the larger the "loss of face" or loss of humanity. Take it far enough, and organized society will have a "werewolf" killed. This is why murderers get the death penalty. This is why it's ok to use deadly force against imminent threat to life or limb.

@clora @formication You could use metaphor and allegory but you are too emotionally and/or imaginatively incompetent. No offense.

@clora @formication You know that if you can't explain something simply, you don't really understand it yourself, you're just arguing to argue, imo

I trust this old shifty jew and think he's right on, bullseye, in terms of his field
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@clora @formication See my longer post. I get it, I just disagree. What is a moment? What is a person? What is time? We do not have answers, yet it is not useless to grasp regardless, at defining and making sense of the world.

@formication @clora I understand but disagree that it's not useful. Yes though to every situation being individual, and contextual. Meta; what is time? What is a moment? What is a person? Do people exist in slices of moments, like a deck of cards? Is the you from 5 years ago the same you that is typing right now? Obviously we know too little to accurately describe any situation, and so you might think it's useless to try and define things, but I don't think that.

@clora @formication Oh ok Miss dictionary, I'll go get a degree in the cult of modern medicine before I give my opinion, soooooooo sorrrrrrrrry, even though these definitions change with every dsm5, sooooooooooo sorrrrrry

@formication @clora You're exactly right, I didn't mean to give the impression that's the only pattern. The kind you describe, I've heard called "covert narcissism", one where the narcissist plays the victim, acts helpless, looks for sympathy, uses guilt and emotional blackmail, rarely issues threats or engages in physical abuse. Then there's the overt narcissist who tells the partner things like "you're no good", "you're nothing without me" etc. Covert says things like "I'm no good", "I'm nothing without you.". Both are using different tactics for the same goal, control and manipulation.

@clora Interesting, how would you characterize your abusive partners? You said they're not narcissistic, so what were they?

@clora The discard is emotional not literal, first comes love bombing, then devaluation, then abuse, and finally discard.

@clora It's all fun and games until the discard. Narcissists always discard. If you're doing things you don't want to do because you think it'll get you love, and then the love never comes, that's painful.

Oh and I'm not saying that gouging eyes and biting fingers off will save you per say, it'll probably get you beaten to death if they're bigger, but at the point where you have to defend yourself it's better to fight back than to curl up, if possible.

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Which is like, fine, but why are you pressuring people into having sex and then being rude to them, recording them without telling them, and then to top it off you give them worms and then lie about it?

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The guy who SAd me gave me worms, and when I confronted him about it he denied it but he knew he was caught. I didn't think much of it until I put two and two together and realized he must have been either eating his dogs ass, or having the dog eat his ass.

Tbh most of the time you will not have to gouge and rip, most of the time standing up to a pest FIRMLY NOT SOFTLY, NOT POLITELY, WITH VICIOUSNESS, WITH EVIL HATRED AND SPITE, TELL THEM THEY'RE ***WORTHLESS*** AND ***GARBAGE***. Watch them shrink, get confused, become unsure and afraid, most of the time that's how they are.

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I saw someone speak about their experience being abused sexually and it made me so mad that they let it happen, because they didn't have the confidence to stop it. It wasn't violent it was manipulation. So I want ALL OF YOU TO HAVE THE CONFIDENCE TO STOP IT! I WANT ALL OF YOU TO HAVE THE COOD BLOOD NECESSARY TO STAND UP TO TYRANNY, NO MATTER THE FORM IT TAKES, SMALL OR LARGE, BIG OR LITTLE, SMASH IT WITH ALL THE LEGAL MEANS AT YOUR DISPOSAL, SHOW NO MERCY, SHOW NO REMORSE, MAKE THEM CRY, MAKE THEM POUT, MAKE THEM STOMP THEIR FEET, AND PRAY THEY THROW A PUNCH SO YOU CAN BITE THEIR FUCKING FINGERS OFF WHO CARES IF YOU DIE IN THE PROCESS BITE THOSE FUCKING FINGERS OFF AND GOUGE THOSE FUCKING EYES, DEEP GOUGE, GOUGE, HOOK, AND RIP, GOUGE, HOOK, AND RIP!!!!!

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IT CAN BE AS SIMPLE AS SPREADING A RUMOR, YOUR THREAT COULD BE THAT YOU WILL TELL EVERYONE BAD SHIT ABOUT THEM.
IT COULD BE A LIE, A SIMPLE "I KNOW WHAT YOU DID", INSINUATING YOU KNOW MORE THAN YOU DO, A GOOD POKER FACE CAN SCARE SOMEONE SHITLESS.
AND IF THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE BANTZ AND PUT YOU IN A SELF DEFENSE SITUATION, JUMP WITH JOY, BECAUSE YOU NOW HAVE FREE LEASE!

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STOP BEING NICE TO PEOPLE WHO ANNOY YOU
IF SOMEONE ANNOYS YOU, AND THEY WON'T STOP, AND THEY KEEP ANNOYING YOU, MAKE A THREAT!!
IF THEY KEEP ANNOYING YOU, FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE THREAT!
IF THEY KEEP ANNOYING YOU, INCREASE THE SEVERITY OF YOUR RESPONSE!
YOU'RE WELCOME, STOP GETTING RAPED.

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