YZZAJ @Jazzy_Butts@gameliberty.club

@formication @clora I see now, I didn't mean to imply the very specific meanings I think you're seeing were...I don't think we define these terms the same way, I think every human being is a narcissist except for those with... different brains, unusual brains, downies and such, everyone else has a streak, what I mean to say when I say narcissism, is, overly codependent, overly controlling, overly agressive, all these things could be caused by completely opposite circumstances in two individuals, and also the word "overly" is very vague, because as said there is a lot of grey out there in the world, and so when I say someone is a "narcissist" I mean that they are OVERLY narcissistic, they are so narcissistic that it leads them to commit paterns of abuse, consciously or subconsciously, and I know that everyones morals and perceptions are different, and so what one considers abuse another may consider helpful or kind. Locking someone up in a ward for example. Some see this as unacceptable, a violation of consent. Others see consent as irrelevant when it comes to behavioral "correction". Who is right? Well there is no god, there is no right or wrong, these things are metaphorical, everything is simply nothing more than taste. If I say rape is evil, and evil does not really exist, I obviously mean to say "rape, to me, is distasteful" (so distasteful in fact that it drives violent impulses in my mind), but to say that it is literally evil would be wrong. It is metaphorically evil, meaning that I find it distasteful. People who know what they do is "evil", they only know that others find it distasteful, they wouldn't have done what they did if they themselves had, in that moment, found it distasteful as well. So I don't believe in the tragic victim monster who couldn't help themselves, I see only humans and monsters, my sympathy for violators has dried up.

https://youtu.be/W_6Vs8pADrQ

@clora @formication Fuck God, I am an enemy of God, God is an idea and I find it repugnant, if God was given form I would kill him, because he is nothing and he is powerless, I would destroy him for all the terror he has instilled in my heart in my childhood, I would split him apart, and then I would take his angels, and I would destroy them, and I would take his son, his false son, and I would throw him in hell for being a liar and a representative of a liar.

@formication @clora But they are monsters. They are literally broken human monsters. Like werewolves. See? Allegory. Metaphor. Easy to understand. So they're like werewolves, sometimes they may be perfectly nice people, but sometimes they change. And sometimes they're an asshole no matter if they're "transformed" (out of control self) or human (in control of self). When a person goes offline, off the rails, off script, for that moment they become less human (metaphorically). The more extreme the deviation from egalitarian norms, the more extreme the loss of humanity. Small things result in small loss, the larger the deviation the larger the "loss of face" or loss of humanity. Take it far enough, and organized society will have a "werewolf" killed. This is why murderers get the death penalty. This is why it's ok to use deadly force against imminent threat to life or limb.

@clora @formication You could use metaphor and allegory but you are too emotionally and/or imaginatively incompetent. No offense.

@clora @formication You know that if you can't explain something simply, you don't really understand it yourself, you're just arguing to argue, imo

I trust this old shifty jew and think he's right on, bullseye, in terms of his field
https://youtu.be/sU305NqXT94

@clora @formication Well then I misunderstood and still don't understand

@clora @formication See my longer post. I get it, I just disagree. What is a moment? What is a person? What is time? We do not have answers, yet it is not useless to grasp regardless, at defining and making sense of the world.

@formication @clora I understand but disagree that it's not useful. Yes though to every situation being individual, and contextual. Meta; what is time? What is a moment? What is a person? Do people exist in slices of moments, like a deck of cards? Is the you from 5 years ago the same you that is typing right now? Obviously we know too little to accurately describe any situation, and so you might think it's useless to try and define things, but I don't think that.

@clora @formication Oh ok Miss dictionary, I'll go get a degree in the cult of modern medicine before I give my opinion, soooooooo sorrrrrrrrry, even though these definitions change with every dsm5, sooooooooooo sorrrrrry

@formication @clora You're exactly right, I didn't mean to give the impression that's the only pattern. The kind you describe, I've heard called "covert narcissism", one where the narcissist plays the victim, acts helpless, looks for sympathy, uses guilt and emotional blackmail, rarely issues threats or engages in physical abuse. Then there's the overt narcissist who tells the partner things like "you're no good", "you're nothing without me" etc. Covert says things like "I'm no good", "I'm nothing without you.". Both are using different tactics for the same goal, control and manipulation.

@clora Interesting, how would you characterize your abusive partners? You said they're not narcissistic, so what were they?

@clora The discard is emotional not literal, first comes love bombing, then devaluation, then abuse, and finally discard.

@clora It's all fun and games until the discard. Narcissists always discard. If you're doing things you don't want to do because you think it'll get you love, and then the love never comes, that's painful.

Oh and I'm not saying that gouging eyes and biting fingers off will save you per say, it'll probably get you beaten to death if they're bigger, but at the point where you have to defend yourself it's better to fight back than to curl up, if possible.

Which is like, fine, but why are you pressuring people into having sex and then being rude to them, recording them without telling them, and then to top it off you give them worms and then lie about it?

The guy who SAd me gave me worms, and when I confronted him about it he denied it but he knew he was caught. I didn't think much of it until I put two and two together and realized he must have been either eating his dogs ass, or having the dog eat his ass.

Tbh most of the time you will not have to gouge and rip, most of the time standing up to a pest FIRMLY NOT SOFTLY, NOT POLITELY, WITH VICIOUSNESS, WITH EVIL HATRED AND SPITE, TELL THEM THEY'RE ***WORTHLESS*** AND ***GARBAGE***. Watch them shrink, get confused, become unsure and afraid, most of the time that's how they are.