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Those who have had two doses [of the Pfizer vaccine] have about five to sixfold lower amounts of neutralizing antibodies — David Bauer, Francis Crick Institute
i sure hope he’s wrong 
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@icedquinn This is about the Delta thingy right? Only 1/5 antibodies compared to the amount of the ones produced for the original one 
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@icedquinn Oh interesting. Pretty much everything that I read refers to the 1/6 figure as delta vs original, not overall immunity 
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So, the key message from our finding is we found that recipients of the Pfizer vaccine, those who have had two doses have about 5 to 6 fold lower amounts of neutralizing antibodies. Now, these are the, sort of, gold standard, private security antibodies of your immune system which block the virus from getting into your cells in the first place. So, we’ve found that that is less for people with two doses. We also found that for people with only one does of the Pfizer jab that they are less likely to have high levels of these antibodies in their blood. And perhaps most importantly for all of us going forward is that we see that the older you are the lower your levels are likely to be and the time since you’ve had your second jab, as that time goes on, the lower your levels are also likely to be. So that’s telling us that we are probably going to be needing to prioritize boosters for older and more vulnerable people coming up soon especially if this new variant spreads.
(video clip https://www.reddit.com/r/vaccinesideeffects/comments/oaui0e/david_bauer_on_neutralizing_antibodies_after/ )
i haven’t seen if the clip going around has been selectively plucked yet tho
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@icedquinn Very interesting clip, yes.
His paper also talked about the reductions, but it's all in relative terms.
> However, NAbTs were 5·8-fold reduced against B.1.617.2 relative to Wild-type (95% CI 5·0–6·9), significantly more reduced than against B.1.1.7 (2·6-fold vs Wild-type, 95% CI 2·2–3·1), and on a similar order to the reduction observed against B.1.351 (4·9-fold vs Wild-type, 95% CI 4·2–5·7).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8175044/
Now I am really confused lol 
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- bauer botched recording a speech about his paper and left out the very important part that its in relation to the other strain
- AJ then botched reporting about the botched video
although from what i've seen, ivermectin doesn't seem to be sensitive to variants so
@icedquinn @koakuma
So, in short, noone knows what's happening and the people who know are either untrustworthy, or too fucked up to pull of a coherent sentence.
So, what's new? 
@xianc78 @icedquinn @koakuma
The virus is obviously bad, but from what I've seen, it's overerrated as fuck.
My mom had it, step mom, sister, father.... Only my mom had a standard week long fever. Dad partially lost smell.
That's it. I am sorry, but even though I know there are always bad cases out there, I cannot pretend to say, that i'm more afraid if it then the gene therapy.
@xianc78 @icedquinn @koakuma
Btw, my step mom is such a bad asthmatic, she could kill berself by hetting angry... Not joking, I saw her getting an asthmatic attack that almost KO'd her during an argument.
So, she went through covid without complications.
@LukeAlmighty @icedquinn @koakuma My Mom is worried because we recently, unexpectedly lost a family member to cancer (not COVID) and it has really got to her on how anyone can die at any moment. She's also the most pro-vaccine person in the world. She even got mad at me once because I accidentally skipped a flu shot. She's even afraid that I might die from the fucking flu.
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@icedquinn @LukeAlmighty @koakuma The government sucks at public health. HCQ and Ivermectin should be proof that the free market solved the pandemic better than these government funded "vaccines". Yet, both remain controlled substances (at least in most first-world countries).
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@xianc78 @icedquinn @koakuma
Yeah... I think everyone goes through the existencial dread after they realize their mortality. I got it when I was a kid, so I am fine now, but all I want to say is, that I totally understand what she's going through. this takes years to settle down a bit.
Sadly, noone knows how to prepare or react to this dread, so I hope you both will be ok. 
@LukeAlmighty @icedquinn @koakuma The family member who died from cancer wasn't that old. He was still an active runner and was pretty healthy for his age. Just a few weeks before his unexpected passing, he was doing yard work as he always does. We're guessing that the cancer might have been from working at a military base in the past (the base in question seems to have a lot of veterans getting cancer later on). His parents are still alive and had to bury him. I guess it's the idea of losing your own child or losing someone unexpectedly that got to her.
He was married to the family member who contracted COVID which is also why my Mom was crying about it. Both of them are/were apparently anti-vaxxers. They probably even avoided the HPV vaccine and HPV is known to cause cancer to people later in life. She even got cancer once, but survived. However, I've already been vaccinated for HPV and I'm pretty sure COVID isn't going to give people cancer later on, so I don't know why my Mom had to bring this up.
Just seeing family made my Mom very emotional like it would be the last time she would see them.
>Sadly, noone knows how to prepare or react to this dread
Yeah. I probably would've have been done with college by now, but this COVID shit is making me do at least an extra year. Not just doing online classes but tensions and drama from my family during this time which made it hard to stay focused. I was already struggling through school but this scamdemic made it worse. I don't even know if I'm going to get a decent job after college because I couldn't get an internship during this time.
Worst part about it is that I don't know what to do if they start making a vaccine requirement. Luckily, it's mostly a conservative campus at least. The president of the school said that he's betting that the voluntary vaccination program they have would render a requirement moot.
I'm very concerned about my future more than ever right now. I don't even know where I will be in a few years because of what's to come: more lockdowns, possible food shortages, economic collapse, Great Reset/Agenda 21. I just want to live a good and relatively normal adult life, but I feel like that's being robbed from me and nobody notices it.
@xianc78 @icedquinn @koakuma
Oh... Time between getting accepted to uni and getting a proper job was the most stresful time in my life. And I did not have to look during a pandemic.
Do you have a degree in IT?
@LukeAlmighty @icedquinn @koakuma I'm still in college. I'm majoring in CS, not IT. I'm hoping I can get a job at my brother's place after I graduate.
@xianc78 @icedquinn @koakuma In that case you should be ok. Even during the pandemic, my place was still hiring.
Just be sure to not be afraid to ask for job in the big places. I know their reputation is shit thanks to SJWs, but they still do pay incredibly well and (i think) you won't have any problems finding future jobs with them on your CV.
@LukeAlmighty @icedquinn @koakuma I can't understand medical technobabble. But from the looks of it, it only affects one type of anti-body, at least. It was predicted that these shots would require boosters for awhile, so it isn't surprising.
This is really starting to get concerning. I was recently in contact with someone who was COVID positive. I was tested negative but my Mom is still begging for me to get the jab. The person in question was experiencing a high fever and couldn't get up. It was enough to make my Mom cry. Never mind the fact that she is a diabetic and I'm perfectly healthy. I'm pretty sure my immune system stomped it out. Right now, the only thing getting in my way is if my college campus decides to require it, but from the looks of it right now it doesn't seem like it's going to.
I'm betting on enough people getting herd immunity from delta while it's still summer.