Those who have had two doses [of the Pfizer vaccine] have about five to sixfold lower amounts of neutralizing antibodies — David Bauer, Francis Crick Institute

i sure hope he’s wrong

@icedquinn This is about the Delta thingy right? Only 1/5 antibodies compared to the amount of the ones produced for the original one

@koakuma no he said people who had both shots only have 1/6th of a functioning immune system

@icedquinn Oh interesting. Pretty much everything that I read refers to the 1/6 figure as delta vs original, not overall immunity

@koakuma

So, the key message from our finding is we found that recipients of the Pfizer vaccine, those who have had two doses have about 5 to 6 fold lower amounts of neutralizing antibodies. Now, these are the, sort of, gold standard, private security antibodies of your immune system which block the virus from getting into your cells in the first place. So, we’ve found that that is less for people with two doses. We also found that for people with only one does of the Pfizer jab that they are less likely to have high levels of these antibodies in their blood. And perhaps most importantly for all of us going forward is that we see that the older you are the lower your levels are likely to be and the time since you’ve had your second jab, as that time goes on, the lower your levels are also likely to be. So that’s telling us that we are probably going to be needing to prioritize boosters for older and more vulnerable people coming up soon especially if this new variant spreads.

(video clip https://www.reddit.com/r/vaccinesideeffects/comments/oaui0e/david_bauer_on_neutralizing_antibodies_after/ )

i haven’t seen if the clip going around has been selectively plucked yet tho

@icedquinn Very interesting clip, yes.
His paper also talked about the reductions, but it's all in relative terms.

> However, NAbTs were 5·8-fold reduced against B.1.617.2 relative to Wild-type (95% CI 5·0–6·9), significantly more reduced than against B.1.1.7 (2·6-fold vs Wild-type, 95% CI 2·2–3·1), and on a similar order to the reduction observed against B.1.351 (4·9-fold vs Wild-type, 95% CI 4·2–5·7).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8175044/

Now I am really confused lol

@koakuma it looks like what happened is

- bauer botched recording a speech about his paper and left out the very important part that its in relation to the other strain
- AJ then botched reporting about the botched video

although from what i've seen, ivermectin doesn't seem to be sensitive to variants so

@icedquinn @koakuma
So, in short, noone knows what's happening and the people who know are either untrustworthy, or too fucked up to pull of a coherent sentence.

So, what's new?

@LukeAlmighty @icedquinn @koakuma I can't understand medical technobabble. But from the looks of it, it only affects one type of anti-body, at least. It was predicted that these shots would require boosters for awhile, so it isn't surprising.

This is really starting to get concerning. I was recently in contact with someone who was COVID positive. I was tested negative but my Mom is still begging for me to get the jab. The person in question was experiencing a high fever and couldn't get up. It was enough to make my Mom cry. Never mind the fact that she is a diabetic and I'm perfectly healthy. I'm pretty sure my immune system stomped it out. Right now, the only thing getting in my way is if my college campus decides to require it, but from the looks of it right now it doesn't seem like it's going to.

I'm betting on enough people getting herd immunity from delta while it's still summer.

@xianc78 @icedquinn @koakuma
The virus is obviously bad, but from what I've seen, it's overerrated as fuck.

My mom had it, step mom, sister, father.... Only my mom had a standard week long fever. Dad partially lost smell.

That's it. I am sorry, but even though I know there are always bad cases out there, I cannot pretend to say, that i'm more afraid if it then the gene therapy.