@alyx @LukeAlmighty Oh yeah AND Din's Curse has a demo. You get capped at level 6 in it (takes like 20min to get there). Once you buy the game you just pick up where you left off.

@Zerglingman @LukeAlmighty
>guy has issue with game A
>offer him a different game from a completely different genre
Sounds reasonable.

@alyx @LukeAlmighty @alyx
He wants more people for his gaming sessions.
@Zerglingman @LukeAlmighty
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@Awoo @Zerglingman @LukeAlmighty
He isn't even accurate in his advertisement though. I'm looking now on Steam, and Din's Curse is on sale. Game and expansion for less than 4€.

@alyx @LukeAlmighty @Awoo >sale
>steam
And?

@alyx @LukeAlmighty My point is that if you want games to be great again, focus on great games. Stop giving money to the (((machine))).

@Zerglingman @LukeAlmighty
Then recommend he buys the old Assetto Corsa, and get more modded cars and tracks than he can count. + he gets to play a decent racing sim.
The Ultimate Edition is on sale now for 8€.

@alyx @LukeAlmighty Excellent. Even better if you can get it without Steam.

@Zerglingman @LukeAlmighty
Unfortunately no. Unless you go the seafaring route. There is a slight downside that the community launcher used for modding was build around assuming Steam, and you need to change a setting for it to work.

@alyx @LukeAlmighty As in, change a setting for it to work without Steam? That's pretty fine. I'm guessing the game is too old for the original devs to still be around, which is why there is no direct purchase?

@Zerglingman @LukeAlmighty
The devs are still around, working on the successor: Assetto Corsa Competizione. But this one has less mod support, and the focus is less on car & track diversity, and more at being an ultimate racing sim for GT3 category.

@LukeAlmighty @alyx @Zerglingman
>Just pirate it tbh.
@LukeAlmighty @alyx
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@MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @alyx
Even if I took your advice, it still wouldn't help me, because I would have to post:

I just decided that I want to pirate Forza 4.
There are 3 editions. What do they offer? I don't know. Will buying the most expansive one contain additional content, or are these a "skip the game" DLCs? I don't know. I don't want to spend next 4 hours looking up forums to lean, what downloadable content is in each version. New maps and events sound good, but do the car packs contain cars I could have earned IN THE GAME? Or even worse, will owning these cars ruin the game? It did happen to me before many times, that DLC that I bought had completelly ruined the early game balance.

Do you see the issue?

@LukeAlmighty @alyx @MK2boogaloo The issue is that you have shit taste in games, apparently.
Piracy continues to be a moral obligation, regardless.

@LukeAlmighty @Zerglingman @alyx man you can just pirate it first then experience the game itself.

@MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @alyx

@LukeAlmighty @alyx @MK2boogaloo That's pretty rich.

@LukeAlmighty @Zerglingman @alyx fatigue makes me dense, yes. I don't see your point here. You can easily play it first then see if there's any content you don't like. If there's one, then you can avoid by not using that car.

@MK2boogaloo @alyx @LukeAlmighty Mr. Loss is just being a nigger, as far as I can tell.

@MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @LukeAlmighty
The simple version of his predicament is that there are too many versions, and he doesn't know which one offers all the content. A predicament which doesn't necessarily get eliminated just because you pirate. There could still be multiple game versions there too.

@alyx @Zerglingman @LukeAlmighty you never pirated a game don't you? The first search result will definitely be the best version of the game since most people downloaded that stuff.

@MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @LukeAlmighty
I've seen edge cases where it's not instantly clear. Though for older games, evolution by gamer selection does seem to take place.

@alyx @Zerglingman
Fallout New Vegas is an amazing game, but noone warns you, that one of the DLCs is nothing but a shitton of weapons straight to your pocket at the begining of the game.

Lego DC supervillains DLC literally unlocks characters that let you skip the usual grinding cycle completelly. After I noticed, I had to start the game from scratch. I had completed New Vegas several times, before I learned I was robbed.

To this day, some GTA V speedrunners are fucked, because they pre-ordered, and now, they cannot disable an illegal money injection at the start of the game.

Do you get it now? @MK2boogaloo

@LukeAlmighty @alyx @Zerglingman I don't understand the problem here, you can just not use that item or character. Ah I get it now, you want to know about the content of a DLC right? Well, a simple search would suffice.

@MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @alyx
> Well, a simple search would suffice.
> I don't want to spend next 4 hours looking up forums to lean, what downloadable content is in each version.

Almost as if that was the exact point of my original post.

@LukeAlmighty @Zerglingman @alyx a single wiki page is enough.....

@LukeAlmighty @alyx @MK2boogaloo Yeah all I'm hearing is that you have shit taste in games.

@LukeAlmighty @MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman
I had a look, and the... nautical approach of getting Forza 4 seems to mainly return Forza 4 Ultimate Edition. Don't know if that helps, but it looks like that's what sea enthusiasts prefer.