@NEETzsche
I don't get it. Why do all the open source fanboys LOVE to live in a perpetual state of denial? No matter how many times you explain the difficulty of using their stuff, instead of trying to figure out how to decrease it, they will spend their time just arguing that it's better that way.

(triggered by your comments on xmpp and my perpetual fight to learn the BASICS of how to use Linux.)

@LukeAlmighty They're ideologues. They're like communists, Nazis, or libertarians. Richard Stallman has programmed a software ideology into them that they don't recognize as an ideology. They regard it as fact. You can't debate it because it's just reality, at least to them.

So they bring up how their preferred thing is FOSS and yours isn't and they sincerely think that the debate basically ends there. It doesn't have to actually work as long as their shit is FOSS and your shit isn't.

This, coming from someone who likes Linux and a lot of FOSS shit. In a lot of ways I prefer Linux to Windows but there are just so many compatibility issues that it's often not worth it. But that just won't register as an actual issue, either.

@NEETzsche
I just cannot get over that unbelievably complicated file system...

But I'm working on it.

@LukeAlmighty The thing with loonix in general is that, from a mathematical perspective, a great deal of it is legitimately simpler than windoze, look from a human cognitive perspective the exact opposite is true.

A great example of this is the file system as you say. Except it's not really the file system itself, it's actually the way they organize the files in the system. That's what I imagine is the issue for you. I bet you're thinking things like: "where is the configuration file for this program I installed? What are the settings I can change in it that aren't listed in there by default? How do I get it to reload this file without rebooting the entire fucking box?" And so on.

Am I right?

@NEETzsche
> where is the configuration file

Yeah... that would be also good. But my favorite question is more like l: What disk is this file even on?

@LukeAlmighty df -h

“I bet you feel stupid now for not just knowing that off the top of your head huh? :anintellectual:

No but seriously I sincerely expect Linux spergs to really want you to “just know” these commands even though that isn’t how this works at all

@lina @LukeAlmighty that's only helpful if you know which command to run in the first place
@NEETzsche @LukeAlmighty yeah but i'm trying to point out that only absolute retards would expect people to know all relevant commands by heart when the very people that make them make sure there's a way for you to at least figure it out if you never ran it before or if you forgot what it does

@lina @NEETzsche
Man is about as instructive to average user as dripping an apple is descriptive of gravitational mechanics.

If you know, it might seem obvious, but if you don't know, it's just a falling apple, not a measurable example of applied force that is constant, and applies to objects outside of the atmosphere with wildly different results...

@lina @LukeAlmighty I do :anintellectual:

Lots of hidden nuggets in those man files. But I'm also a tech sperg. I'm not going to try to tell some guy who trades stocks for a living to bother with this shit
@NEETzsche @LukeAlmighty yeah, but mostly all you need to learn is how sudo works, how your package manager works and how nano works if you're using something simple like ubuntu
@NEETzsche @LukeAlmighty sudo rm /usr/bin/emacs
sudo ln -s /usr/bin/nano /usr/bin/emacs
jokes aside, people should consider that not everyone is a turbocoder sperg that needs macros or programmability or some lisp related bullshit and nano is a good command line text editor that doesn't require looking up how to fucking close it lmao
@lina @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche a couple of nano's keybinds always annoyed me - M-u for undo. had it all setup to be like the standard notepad keybinds back when i used it
@errante @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche yea, or ctrl+x instead of ctrl+c to close it, but i think as long as you figure out that ^ means you hold ctrl, you'll be fine with it
@lina @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche i rebound copy to C-c and paste to C-v and cut-line to C-k and it was comfy asf

then my terminal not supporting C-Backspace properly annoyed me so i wrote my own editor
@lina @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche look, having to reach for M-backspace is REALLY annoying after a while. you gotta do what you gotta do
@lina @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche i had it set to 'delete last word' like windows has C-backspace, because xterm doesnt register C-backspace correctly no matter how many commands i run and configs i change
@errante @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche oh i just set up key repeat speed to be 75 and that's good enough for me, although still lags when it comes to js laced shit like pleroma
@lina @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche lol fair

anyway USE NOTPAD: THE ONLY TEXT EDITOR WITH A FEMBOY MASCOT AND BUILT IN BIBLE SUPPORT

was honestly really fun writing my own text editor. i shelled out and used a widget library (tcl/tk) but like! it was nice! it was fun! its pretty damn lightweight too, smaller than all of those rust gui editors that everyone's cooming about
@lina @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche ok but id still reccomend writing your own editor if youre as much as a sperg as me who will try and do things that're impossible in existing software and get mad because theyre impossible
@errante @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche i'm not, i use linux because i don't want my computer to reboot without my consent and because i'm too broke for windows and microsoft stink after they made windows 8
@lina @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche thats fair :D

i use linux because i have autism and windows drives me insane

@errante @lina @NEETzsche
I am trying to switch, because I am tired of: "Well, out middle manager number 35 decided, that average user likes candy crush, so we installed it to your PC without asking."

@errante @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche mint's a great choice if you're moving from windows, the cinnamon DE was pretty much a carbon copy of windows' UI last time i used it (that was like 2016)

@lina @NEETzsche @errante
No...
NO...
They are not the same, AND the average programmer isn't shaking from even thinking about linux because the task bar is on the left instead of down.

@lina @NEETzsche @errante
I am talking about the stupid "Distro x is pretty much a windows copy" line.

And yes, obviously I was referring the old ubuntu. But the UI is the least important part of the jumping OS.

@LukeAlmighty @lina @errante I just got done bitching about people who refuse to make FOSS shit actually work, now let me go in the opposite direction and bitch about normies who refuse to adapt even a little bit:

Linux is not Windows. Linux shouldn't endeavor to be Windows. If you want to use Windows, just use Windows. Every non-Windows operating system dev shouldn't feel obligated to make things feel like Windows. Fuck Windows-esque distros.
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