@NEETzsche
I don't get it. Why do all the open source fanboys LOVE to live in a perpetual state of denial? No matter how many times you explain the difficulty of using their stuff, instead of trying to figure out how to decrease it, they will spend their time just arguing that it's better that way.
(triggered by your comments on xmpp and my perpetual fight to learn the BASICS of how to use Linux.)
So they bring up how their preferred thing is FOSS and yours isn't and they sincerely think that the debate basically ends there. It doesn't have to actually work as long as their shit is FOSS and your shit isn't.
This, coming from someone who likes Linux and a lot of FOSS shit. In a lot of ways I prefer Linux to Windows but there are just so many compatibility issues that it's often not worth it. But that just won't register as an actual issue, either.
@NEETzsche
I just cannot get over that unbelievably complicated file system...
But I'm working on it.
A great example of this is the file system as you say. Except it's not really the file system itself, it's actually the way they organize the files in the system. That's what I imagine is the issue for you. I bet you're thinking things like: "where is the configuration file for this program I installed? What are the settings I can change in it that aren't listed in there by default? How do I get it to reload this file without rebooting the entire fucking box?" And so on.
Am I right?
@NEETzsche
> where is the configuration file
Yeah... that would be also good. But my favorite question is more like l: What disk is this file even on?
@LukeAlmighty df -h
“I bet you feel stupid now for not just knowing that off the top of your head huh? 
”
No but seriously I sincerely expect Linux spergs to really want you to “just know” these commands even though that isn’t how this works at all
@lina @NEETzsche
Man is about as instructive to average user as dripping an apple is descriptive of gravitational mechanics.
If you know, it might seem obvious, but if you don't know, it's just a falling apple, not a measurable example of applied force that is constant, and applies to objects outside of the atmosphere with wildly different results...
Lots of hidden nuggets in those man files. But I'm also a tech sperg. I'm not going to try to tell some guy who trades stocks for a living to bother with this shit
sudo ln -s /usr/bin/nano /usr/bin/emacs
jokes aside, people should consider that not everyone is a turbocoder sperg that needs macros or programmability or some lisp related bullshit and nano is a good command line text editor that doesn't require looking up how to fucking close it lmao
then my terminal not supporting C-Backspace properly annoyed me so i wrote my own editor
schizopilled
anyway USE NOTPAD: THE ONLY TEXT EDITOR WITH A FEMBOY MASCOT AND BUILT IN BIBLE SUPPORT
was honestly really fun writing my own text editor. i shelled out and used a widget library (tcl/tk) but like! it was nice! it was fun! its pretty damn lightweight too, smaller than all of those rust gui editors that everyone's cooming about
i use linux because i have autism and windows drives me insane
@errante @lina @NEETzsche
I am trying to switch, because I am tired of: "Well, out middle manager number 35 decided, that average user likes candy crush, so we installed it to your PC without asking."
@lina @NEETzsche @errante
No...
NO...
They are not the same, AND the average programmer isn't shaking from even thinking about linux because the task bar is on the left instead of down.
mint with cinnamon has the taskbar on the bottom, like it should be
@lina @NEETzsche @errante
I am talking about the stupid "Distro x is pretty much a windows copy" line.
And yes, obviously I was referring the old ubuntu. But the UI is the least important part of the jumping OS.
obviously there are differences like using the command line to install everything as opposed to GUI installers, but that's something you get used to, especially when mint and ubuntu feature a GUI shell for apt i believe
@lina @NEETzsche @errante
You don't need the command line to install shit. That is a solved issue, since there are programs for installing programs.
But also, I am not a grandma. I need to actually use the system, not just start firefox and open e-mail.
@NEETzsche @lina @errante
Dude, I don't mind using command line.
I grew up on Dos. I know how to write shit.
The problem is deeper. And file system is the best example. You can read commands all day, or use the GUI, but nothing will help, if you don't even know what fucking disk you're on.
New OS's are supposed to solve problems in new ways, otherwise why exist, beyond ideology?
@NEETzsche @lina @errante
Yeah, sure. I am sure it is amazing once you get to use it.
I am just trying to explain, why the old line of "this distro is just like windows" or "you just have to learn to use the terminal" are based on an absolute misunderstanding of just how deep the gap of understanding can really be.
I never wrote a shell-script, I use Webmin since it was a thing. No, I never spent a minute with learning Perl. I know a little SQL, have some mediocre skills with curly bracket syntax, but I am the dumbest Linux user.
Thanks to Webmin I manage DNS, LDAP, and other internet infrastructure pieces like a champ. Thanks to YunoHost I have a fully RFC-compliant user-space stack as well. I mastered virtualization - kernel and file based, Type I and Type II. yada yada...
Linux is not a nightmare, you just need to find a way to plug into its ecosystem. The best way is to find a fitting and fundamental purpose for it - which could be a database server, for example.
Check out phpMyAdmin, Web2Py, Saltcorn. These are excellent, very-low barrier entry points to some serious utility.
@NEETzsche @lina @errante
It is this kind of fundamental restructuring of basic logic, that makes Linux into a fucking nightmare. Not some shit like mouse cursor being gray instead of white, or tracert being called traceroute.