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eugenicists (& co) using "darwinism" as an excuse completely ignore what evolution *actually is*
actual evolution isn't a moral statement, it's not what "should be", it's a description of what *is*, it's just what happens in nature
eugenicists view evolution from a prescriptive lens, and that's just not how any of it works, just because lifeforms adapt to external stimuli over generations doesn't mean we have the right to choose what traits are "better"
actual evolution isn't a moral statement, it's not what "should be", it's a description of what *is*, it's just what happens in nature
eugenicists view evolution from a prescriptive lens, and that's just not how any of it works, just because lifeforms adapt to external stimuli over generations doesn't mean we have the right to choose what traits are "better"
@nep
I am sorry, but I still disagree.
Just, because natural adaptations to environment do happen, doesn't mean we should just give up. In fact, I would argue the oposite. We owe it to our kids to make sure they do not get bad genes.
And modern medicine makes this much worse. Since, we can support much more sick people, this is literally unsustainable process, because every sick person who does manage to reproduce thanks to insane drugs will have even sicker kids who will need even more drugs to survive.
@LukeAlmighty @nep the vast majority of health issues people actually have is all self-induced. Alcoholism and obesity being the two biggest ones.
@LukeAlmighty @nep I didn't really read the thread tbf
I'm simply saying that 'good genes' is silly. 99.99% of everyones genes are totally fine, and instead of some weird ethnic cleansing thing happening, what really needs to happen is people need to cut cigarettes, cut most alcohol (all would be best), and watch their diet. Do those and we'd be in better shape then any point in human history. No reproductive evolution, blah blah shit needed
I'm simply saying that 'good genes' is silly. 99.99% of everyones genes are totally fine, and instead of some weird ethnic cleansing thing happening, what really needs to happen is people need to cut cigarettes, cut most alcohol (all would be best), and watch their diet. Do those and we'd be in better shape then any point in human history. No reproductive evolution, blah blah shit needed
@LukeAlmighty @nep Your brain is cooked bro. You basically can't disagree with what I just said. You CAN say that even if we did that it wouldn't be far enough for you, but to say "You are totally wrecked." is absurd lmao
@LukeAlmighty @nep Because i'm saying that eugenics is largely irrelevant because 99.9% of people are healthy 'genetically' and I listed x,y,and z steps to fix half the issues people have which cause them to experience negative health effects.
@LukeAlmighty @luwa @nep Like what specific genetic disorder do you want to eradicate that is in the population? Autism may have some genetic component, but I don't believe we can really make a value judgement based on a genetic markers or even really know where on the spectrum someone may lie until they are older. Tay Sachs kids simply just die regardless. Downs Sydrome is "genetic", but having an extra chromosome they don't often pass on.
Other than that, it just seems like we could make people slightly taller on average, but I'm not sure if that would translate into "health" since it doesn't really for dog and horse breeds. Logistically, I don't know how we would accomplish this outside of some hukou system (which I am open to, but for other reasons). Luwa's health advice seems like the simplest solution for a healthier population overall.
Other than that, it just seems like we could make people slightly taller on average, but I'm not sure if that would translate into "health" since it doesn't really for dog and horse breeds. Logistically, I don't know how we would accomplish this outside of some hukou system (which I am open to, but for other reasons). Luwa's health advice seems like the simplest solution for a healthier population overall.
@LukeAlmighty @luwa @nep Plus, after checking you page, if you didn't like the covid lockdown I can't imagine you would like the government controlling who you could breed with so I don't really understand what you are advocating for. If you just want a high infant mortality rate then you can move to a different country.
@rach @nep @LukeAlmighty And this also ignores the fact that exercise, little to no alcohol, good diet, and no smoking absolutely do have an effect on genetics. I mean drinking alcohol while pregnant literally causes fetal alcohol syndrome.
@luwa @nep @LukeAlmighty Yeah and I get why "let's not have public sanitation to make der ubermensch" seems like a good idea in 1930, but in reality you would just make our water supply infested with fecal matter and having a bunch of dead children is a fair trade off to "maybe we selected for immunity to shit water". I don't see why we want people to be immune to shit water when we could just clean it.
