@amerika @Mr_NutterButter @NEETzsche
There are no christians in foxholes
Lol, well, dunno about that.
@NEETzsche @amerika @Mr_NutterButter
The argument of "there are no atheists in foxholes" is just retarded. Yes, people, who are afraid of death pray. Of course they pray, when they KNOW, that they will never again feel the wind. They will never again taste a food. They will NEVER talk to their loved ones and obviously, at that point, you will beg anyone including beings you don't believe in, just to find a way to avoid it.
But, all of that is rooted in fear of death. Something, that by the same level of pub logic, no christian should be afraid to begin with.
@amerika @Mr_NutterButter
@NEETzsche @amerika @Mr_NutterButter
Nah.
Fear of death is real. Who would have thought? 🤷♂️ But fear of death is hardly a proof of God.
@amerika @Mr_NutterButter
I agree here also. An atheist who prays has just revealed a lack of belief in atheism, or at least, a lack of sufficiency in atheism to deal with what he faces.
Then again, is anyone really an atheist? "No proof of God" cuts both ways: you cannot prove God, but you also have no ability to disprove him (no falsifiable thesis).
@amerika @Mr_NutterButter @NEETzsche
> Then again, is anyone really an atheist?
Yes. The belief in god is a positive belief.
I am not saying, that I have a proof that he doesn't exist with 100% certainty. I am atheis BECAUSE I don't have a reason to believe he does.
But that is different from claiming the oposite as a certainty. Some atheists do that, but I absolutely don't see it as a requirement.
And I refuse to use the word "agnostic", because at that point, we're getting into a politics levels of pseudo definitions.
I disagree heartily. Agnosticism accepts that the physical is not going to prove or disprove the metaphysical.
Atheism is a positive believe in the nonexistence of God.
@amerika @Mr_NutterButter @NEETzsche
Then your definition is insane 
My definition is logically consistent and you will hear it frequently among those most successful at studying these issues.
@amerika @Mr_NutterButter @NEETzsche
Of course, that you can be "successful", when arguing a strawman. But afirst step of an argument is always to talk about the same topic.
And just as I refuse to accept 69 genders on a fundamental level, I will not give up the label of an atheist just because you decided to make the definition isnane.
@amerika @Mr_NutterButter @NEETzsche
I will ignore for now, that you thought I will be stupid enough to fall for appeal of authority, but please, keep the conversation on some level of dignity.
This was just pathetic.
@amerika @Mr_NutterButter @NEETzsche
But, what is worse is, that you believe, that you can define, what my argument is, before you attack it.
Not only is it a strawman, but it is a strawmen with a request to accept it from my side.
I seriously cannot believe you tried something so postmodern.
I think you misunderstand appeal to authority, among other things.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/atheism-agnosticism/