@amerika @Mr_NutterButter @NEETzsche
There are no christians in foxholes
Lol, well, dunno about that.
@NEETzsche @amerika @Mr_NutterButter
The argument of "there are no atheists in foxholes" is just retarded. Yes, people, who are afraid of death pray. Of course they pray, when they KNOW, that they will never again feel the wind. They will never again taste a food. They will NEVER talk to their loved ones and obviously, at that point, you will beg anyone including beings you don't believe in, just to find a way to avoid it.
But, all of that is rooted in fear of death. Something, that by the same level of pub logic, no christian should be afraid to begin with.
@amerika @Mr_NutterButter
@NEETzsche @amerika @Mr_NutterButter
Nah.
Fear of death is real. Who would have thought? 🤷♂️ But fear of death is hardly a proof of God.
@amerika @Mr_NutterButter
I agree here also. An atheist who prays has just revealed a lack of belief in atheism, or at least, a lack of sufficiency in atheism to deal with what he faces.
Then again, is anyone really an atheist? "No proof of God" cuts both ways: you cannot prove God, but you also have no ability to disprove him (no falsifiable thesis).
@amerika @Mr_NutterButter @NEETzsche
> Then again, is anyone really an atheist?
Yes. The belief in god is a positive belief.
I am not saying, that I have a proof that he doesn't exist with 100% certainty. I am atheis BECAUSE I don't have a reason to believe he does.
But that is different from claiming the oposite as a certainty. Some atheists do that, but I absolutely don't see it as a requirement.
And I refuse to use the word "agnostic", because at that point, we're getting into a politics levels of pseudo definitions.
I disagree heartily. Agnosticism accepts that the physical is not going to prove or disprove the metaphysical.
Atheism is a positive believe in the nonexistence of God.
@amerika @Mr_NutterButter @NEETzsche
Then your definition is insane 
My definition is logically consistent and you will hear it frequently among those most successful at studying these issues.
An atheist is someone who doesn't believe in any god. You can break it down by etymology: a(without)theist(god). We can go into Leddit distinctions between different kinds of atheists, like those who positively assert the non-existence of gods vs those who are merely skeptical enough of them to not think they're real given the information they have, but I don't think it's really germane to this conversation, beyond this point:
The conversation is what does foxhole prayer entail. I don't think it entails the existence of God. I do think it's an indicator that the atheist in question is not very confident in their atheism, that they become pliant to theism in dire circumstance. It's a statement on the personality and views of the person foxhole praying. It's not a statement on external, objective reality. Quite a few believers lose their faith given hardship or the fear of imminent death. This is a two way street.
I agree and would add: I do not trust people who believe out of fear.
That means self-interest.
Actual spiritual events would be more of a nature of awe, reverence, being struck by beauty, insight, epiphany, etc.
@amerika @Mr_NutterButter
So, do you believe, that atheism is a positive belief in absense of God, or that it is a lack of belief in his existence?
You cannot argue with me on this topic, and then say to @NEETzsche that you agree with the same claim.
