@Forestofenchantment @matrix @Mr_NutterButter
Cry about your gas prices, while I take my 2 minute walk to the work each morning. (4 minutes, when the traffic light decides to be difficult)

@LukeAlmighty @matrix @Mr_NutterButter All power to you if you can live in the cities. But they're just too loud for me. Much prefer the serenity of the countryside.

@gentoobro @LukeAlmighty @Mr_NutterButter some people say suburbs became popular so that people don't have to live around black people

A ridiculous theory. Blacks had been in cities all along before they started bulldozing them to build highways and parking, and cities with barely any blacks, like Seattle, were also bulldozed for parking. The bulldozing happened because Boomers and their parents all wanted to live in a cookie-cutter house with a yard and a picket fence but still have their high-paying city job. As they bulldozed more city to create highways and parking lots, even more people moved out of the city, exacerbating the problem.

It's geometric in nature. Suburb population grows by the square of the distance from the city while road capacity only grows linearly with lanes added. It's all a massive fool's errand, and traffic will only get worse as they build more and more roads, spreading things further and further apart.

@gentoobro @matrix @Mr_NutterButter @LukeAlmighty It's a problem that takes a long time to really kick in if you put more than one person per 6sqm.

@matrix @gentoobro @LukeAlmighty @Mr_NutterButter Mostly because of black people, but I still find this picture of Detroit sad. It’s not even the only freeway that goes through the middle of the city.

All the people who lived where that highway is now have to commute on it, which required parking at the other end and also more lanes, in a vicious spiral forever.

Ghettos followed from gutted cities, not caused them.

@gentoobro @Rudolf_von_Goldenbaum @LukeAlmighty @Mr_NutterButter @matrix So automobiles are ultimately the culprit. The need for parking for commuters. That was never a factor in cities that predate the presence of cars.

More or less. American cities were bulldozed so that the Boomers and their parents could commute to a shitty rubber-stamped house in an HOA.

There are some amplifying factors, like mandatory setbacks, minimum parking requirements, density limits, and retarded zoning, but mostly it's "derp, gotta have lots of rOaDs so we can cooomute to our city jobs while pretending to be rural".

@gentoobro @LukeAlmighty @Mr_NutterButter @matrix Fleeing from niggers.