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Oh god...
This is so much worse then I even imagined.

@LukeAlmighty Yeah...
The field is a mess.
"Treatments make more money than cures" is epitomized in psychiatry.

@LukeAlmighty I thought it was pretty common knowledge that these sorts of things don't really get cured. The idea is to give you the tools to deal with them. Whether or not therapists actually do that in a healthy way or not is up for debate. I think that therapy is often something that pushes people into something more like complacency than actually working towards bettering themselves. Someone like a life coach does a much better job with that but they're also a lot more dedicated.

These days, I would expect the number of "cures" to be higher though, because a lot of people go to the therapist when they're in a rough patch and need someone to talk to. Therapy is a lot more common. In 2006, it's more likely that you were only in therapy because you really did have a permanent mental illness. Just my guess.

@beardalaxy @LukeAlmighty Psychiatrists are most commonly differentiated by their ability to prescribe medications, the therapy you're talking about here is more like counselling...

But what that second to last guy in the video said is true, the problem here is how we quantify "cured."

@druid @beardalaxy
If you need to change definition of cured to get a non-zero success rate, I think the issue isn't the definition.

@LukeAlmighty @beardalaxy I don't think you understand, the point is that the psyche is opaque and phenomenological so there's no way to specify what "cured" even means in the first place lol. Nobody is trying to redefine the word, the question stumped these psychiatrists because it would have been more appropriate to ask something like "how many patients have you been able to noticeably improve quality of life for?"

This is all putting aside the issue of what these psychiatrists actually do. For instance, one who works with incarcerated patients isn't likely to see anyone fully discharged from care provision, just incarceration. If your schizo is no longer ripping rooms apart and screaming but still requires meds and therapy, are they cured?

@LukeAlmighty honestly I thought therapy was more about just giving you the tools to deal with it I don't think I've ever heard someone say that they've ever gotten cured of a mental thing.

@Mr_NutterButter @LukeAlmighty
My doc seriously recommended I get electro-convulsive therapy (modern-day shock treatment) so I promptly quit seeing him, ditched the meds, and explored psychedelics instead.

The therapist who taught me cognitive-behavioral therapy (who had also told me I "wanted" to be depressed) did more than that quack ever did.

But I wouldn't say either of them "cured" me. Neither did the shrooms, but combined with CBT and meditation they easily beat the pants off any SSRI!

I’m a shrink. we don’t cure people. we help them cope with living in hell on earth, but we don’t cure them.

@s2208
Well, are they sick though? Because as far as I understand, the entire field does treat these adaptations as illneses.

I have to label people for the purposes of insurance, but most of them are just interesting and cool in their own way

@s2208
BTW, for full transparency:
My experience with shrinks was, that they almost ruined my life several times already.

@s2208
Ok... I just have to ask.
What kind of problems would an autistic kid have to show, so you could feel confident saying, that "it will be lucky, if it manages to finish a special school"?

Just wondering... I get the part, where many shrinks give autistic kids meth, but that sentence seriously does stick in my head to this day.

@LukeAlmighty@gameliberty.club

The last guy in the video was totally blunt, a bit self deprecating and kinda relatable. Maybe I'd like to meet him over billiards and whine a bit about my childhood and upbringing
🥂

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