To this day, I have no fucking idea how could Trans debate hone so insanely wrong. No matter how long I do spend on the topic, I cannot wrap my head around this madness, but the more interesting part is, just how little good faith debate there actually is on the topic.
Fuck... Even on Abortion, there is some gray zone. I do not belong to either camp, because I know, that both sides are trying to pointlessly escalate their position to push the overton window. But the base arguments are clear. But with the trans debate, I don't even know the last time I heard 2 people try to compate the baselines.
@LukeAlmighty the "gray zone" is sex =/= gender.
That's it.
Conservatards can't stand that gray zone because they view sex and gender as synonymous. As with most things, they shot themselves in the foot, and now their only recourse is outright oppression (with predictable results) to try and amend the "problem".
@Aldo2
Bro...I am trying to take this conversation seriously, and you jump in with "if you believe hard enough, you might grow a dick".
I am getting to tired of your bait.
@LukeAlmighty you were literally asking for a "good faith debate" lol
Well, there's your "good faith debate".
You clearly don't want a "debate", you just want people to agree with you 100% on everything without any pushback.
Rather pathetic, tbqh.
@Aldo2
Yes. You spent last week arguing, that I should go into den of people who want me dead, and now, you want me to accept, that Trans advocates don't know how reproduction works?
Yes, I wanted a good faith debate. Not the "sex =/= gender" stuff, that was already repeated 100s of times.
@LukeAlmighty lol
Last week's argument was not at all related to this, stop deflecting.
It's not up to you what can or can't be argued in a "good faith debate", especially when you dismiss a fundamental argument of the opposition which is actually agreeable by all sides.
Sex =/= Gender.
Sex is not about gender.
Those trans people arguing in "good faith" are not saying they can give birth from their penis (if they're of biological male sex).
They're saying that they are a gender that is different to their sex. They would like people to treat them as their gender. It's really quite simple.
You can agree with that or disagree, but the position is fairly rational, all thing's considered.
Again, your argument is that everyone HAS to agree with you because no trans person can "argue in good faith". Again, it's just pathetic. Like a JK Rowling Twitter rant.
@Aldo2
Obviously last week has a ton to do with me not believing you are even able to do a good faith argument anymore.
Not to mention, that you started the debate with literally stating the most insane assertion and expectation, that I will accept it in full extent. Instead, if you even read what I wrote in this thread already, you could have noticed, that I did give a HUGE pass on the gender role question, but I seriously wouldn't expect you of all people to understand that point.
@LukeAlmighty how is it the "most insane assertion and expectation". It's something that most, if not all people agree on.
Sex is not gender. They are different words, relate to different things etc...
Again, YOU are the one who wanted a "good faith debate". But you can't even accept a basic premise of the "trans argument".
Well then, it's not "good faith" then, is it?
Your pass is that.....You didn't give it a pass?
You said you don't want to talk about it because it's been talked about 100s of times. That's not a pass, that's you avoiding it entirely because you know if you agreed to it then you'd have to change your own position.
@Aldo2
Ok, if you want to play this game:
Is this a boot, or is it a cake? Would you eat it, or would you leave it on a floor next to your other boots for a few days, and then put your foot in it and walk with it through a forrest?
@LukeAlmighty footwear can apply to women or men.
Men can wear women's footwear and vice-versa.
You used the wrong analogy.
@Aldo2
So, you would put this mixture of egg, sugar and wheat on your foot beofre going to work?
Interesting...
@LukeAlmighty you used the wrong analogy, deliberately, to make an argument against you impossible.
Of course you can't use cake as a shoe. Duh.
I used the correct analogy, to describe not only my position, but reality (i.e. shoes are not made of cake, and men can wear women's shoes and women can wear men's shoes, the shoe is gender, duh).
