Power scaling is a legitimate part of world building, but the Death Battle retards give the whole thing a bad name because 1) they take ridiculous outlier feats and just run with them to the point where half of the Marvel and DC roster can blow up the multiverse and 2) they completely ignore anti-feats and negative outliers.
As far as I'm concerned, outlier feats should not be considered legitimate unless they're story relevant AND are replicated. For example, sub-500 power level Dragon Ball characters blowing up the moon is a ridiculous outlier compared to everything else these characters do - however, since it happens twice, AND both instances are story-relevant and have lasting consequences (not gag moments) you have to accept them as legitimate representations of what the character can do. They also line up with 18 000 power level Vegeta being able to blow up earth.
Speed feats are if anything even worse, because of this claim that combat speed has NOTHING to do with travel speed (which would otherwise completely debunk various outlier feats).
As far as I'm concerned, outlier feats should not be considered legitimate unless they're story relevant AND are replicated. For example, sub-500 power level Dragon Ball characters blowing up the moon is a ridiculous outlier compared to everything else these characters do - however, since it happens twice, AND both instances are story-relevant and have lasting consequences (not gag moments) you have to accept them as legitimate representations of what the character can do. They also line up with 18 000 power level Vegeta being able to blow up earth.
Speed feats are if anything even worse, because of this claim that combat speed has NOTHING to do with travel speed (which would otherwise completely debunk various outlier feats).
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@ChristiJunior
Yeah, powerscalers can obviously use retarded methodology, and ignore the point/true nature of some feats.
On the other side though, if you can look at this and not see how it ruined the entire rest of the series, then you literally need to hire consultants. And I cannot believe, that I am even writing such an idea. But yeah, power-scaling consultants should be a thing.
@ChristiJunior
I used the Holdo maneuver as an example.
sorry.
@LukeAlmighty Oh, it's The Last Jedi (I checked from another instance). Lmao, Rise of Skywalker tried the dumbest justification for that and just made it way worse!
@LukeAlmighty It wouldn't even require a suicide attack. Droids can pilot a capital ship. Just hook up an astromech, aim a blockade runner at the latest Death Star, flawless victory.
@judgedread
Exactly. And as I said, a "powesrcaling consultant" would see that immediately.
@LukeAlmighty Hollywood used to have general purpose consultants who could spot problems like that. They were low level employees who read any script submitted and either shitcanned it or provided notes. Ayn Rand, of all people, was hired as a script reader by Cecil B. DeMille himself, or so she claimed.
Later when most in-house positions were eliminated due to budget cuts there were research firms that provided this service. Star Trek ran all their scripts through DeForest Research, who would correct the usual dimwit screenwriter errors like mistaking a solar system for a galaxy. Rand and DeForest would have shitcanned The Last Jedi within ten pages. Roddenberry would have written a sternly worded memo to Rian Johnson about the hazards of making your hero stupid.
Later when most in-house positions were eliminated due to budget cuts there were research firms that provided this service. Star Trek ran all their scripts through DeForest Research, who would correct the usual dimwit screenwriter errors like mistaking a solar system for a galaxy. Rand and DeForest would have shitcanned The Last Jedi within ten pages. Roddenberry would have written a sternly worded memo to Rian Johnson about the hazards of making your hero stupid.
@judgedread @LukeAlmighty
It's my understanding that the rebels were so badly outgunned that suicide attacks from every ship they had would not have even made a dent in the imperial forces.
I have an old lorebook from the 1990's that says the imperials had 25,000 Star destroyers, 13 Super Star Destroyers and about 80k Nebulon B Frigates.
The Rebel alliance commanded about 2,000 total capital ships in contrast. Most of which were Captured Imperial vessels, and about 60 Man Calamari Cruisers which were not even a 1:1 match against an Imperial II Star Destroyer.
The only advantage they Alliance really had was in starfighters, with the defection of Incom and their X-wings giving the rebels their one real edge.
I miss the old Star Wars stuff. I still have the old West End RPG books floating around somewhere (terrible game system by the way, but they had huge amounts of lore in the books, and included reference notes for where they got it).
It's my understanding that the rebels were so badly outgunned that suicide attacks from every ship they had would not have even made a dent in the imperial forces.
I have an old lorebook from the 1990's that says the imperials had 25,000 Star destroyers, 13 Super Star Destroyers and about 80k Nebulon B Frigates.
The Rebel alliance commanded about 2,000 total capital ships in contrast. Most of which were Captured Imperial vessels, and about 60 Man Calamari Cruisers which were not even a 1:1 match against an Imperial II Star Destroyer.
The only advantage they Alliance really had was in starfighters, with the defection of Incom and their X-wings giving the rebels their one real edge.
I miss the old Star Wars stuff. I still have the old West End RPG books floating around somewhere (terrible game system by the way, but they had huge amounts of lore in the books, and included reference notes for where they got it).
@SilverDeth The 'Holdo Maneuver' still breaks canon because the rebels had enough capital ships to hyperdrive ram two Death Stars.
@judgedread
I didn't watch anything past Attack of the Clones. Looking at that silliness in a web search, they failed to do the math or any research.
(I hate them, and I hate that I apparently know more about the lore of this fantasy universe than the people making official content for it).
When in hyperspace, you hit "mass shadows" - literally gravity wells projected by large object in real-space - you are not actually hitting the object. If the ship they rammed was large enough to project a mass shadow, they would have been obliterated with no effect on the real-space object.
If they were not yet in "hyperspace" then they simply collided with the enemy ship at sub-light speeds, and when I look over my sourcebooks, I can see that even the shields on an Imperial II Star Destroyer (which was old tech by then), would have bounced their ships apart with minimal damage.
People do not understand the power levels involved with those capital ships apparently. And by "people" I mean the idiot writers.
- 1 shot from a turbo-laser is 15 kilotons of TNT.
- An Imperial II's shields can absorb 100 megatons of energy before starting to buckle and loose effectiveness. They recharge 2 megatons per minute.
- The Executor had a shield output of 3 gigatons before damage began to leech through the shielding. They recharge at a rate of 50 megatons per minute.
The BIG ships in Star Wars can tank a ramming to the point of laughing it off. Hitting mass shadows in hyperspace does nothing to anything in real-space. None of this is not obscure information. The lazy shit-heels who wrote that drivel should neck themselves.
I didn't watch anything past Attack of the Clones. Looking at that silliness in a web search, they failed to do the math or any research.
(I hate them, and I hate that I apparently know more about the lore of this fantasy universe than the people making official content for it).
When in hyperspace, you hit "mass shadows" - literally gravity wells projected by large object in real-space - you are not actually hitting the object. If the ship they rammed was large enough to project a mass shadow, they would have been obliterated with no effect on the real-space object.
If they were not yet in "hyperspace" then they simply collided with the enemy ship at sub-light speeds, and when I look over my sourcebooks, I can see that even the shields on an Imperial II Star Destroyer (which was old tech by then), would have bounced their ships apart with minimal damage.
People do not understand the power levels involved with those capital ships apparently. And by "people" I mean the idiot writers.
- 1 shot from a turbo-laser is 15 kilotons of TNT.
- An Imperial II's shields can absorb 100 megatons of energy before starting to buckle and loose effectiveness. They recharge 2 megatons per minute.
- The Executor had a shield output of 3 gigatons before damage began to leech through the shielding. They recharge at a rate of 50 megatons per minute.
The BIG ships in Star Wars can tank a ramming to the point of laughing it off. Hitting mass shadows in hyperspace does nothing to anything in real-space. None of this is not obscure information. The lazy shit-heels who wrote that drivel should neck themselves.
@SilverDeth @judgedread
I'll let a woman mansplain this one :D
Is it about Dragon Ball Super? Yeah, that show does retarded things with power scaling, but its biggest crime is its extreme inconsistencies and contradictions, because things already got real retarded in DBZ