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> Because there's exactly two outcomes here, these can be quantized as "1" and "0" easily...

no and that's the problem...already in this thread people told you their "utility" is not I live or I die...

@monsterislandcolonizer @Griffith @BowsacNoodle @ceo_of_monoeye_dating
Yes, obviously the revealed preferences would be everyone pressing the red, since it would turn a philosophical/mathematical discussion into a real life danger.

@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Griffith @BowsacNoodle
This reminds me of the Covid vax debate, where some "smart" people got truly pissed off, when they said: The best option is if everyone get's vaxed. The 2nd best is when noone gets vaxed. But the worst one is when half of population gets the vax, because then the virus can adapt.

Me: And since you know that half the population will refuse, you will give it up, right?

Them: So, why cannot these idiots just get vaxed????

All their IQ didn't allow them to see, that they chose the worst option just on principle of the best one not being possible.

@monsterislandcolonizer @sj_zero
YES!
In safe society, a kid can play outside unsurpervised, since you know others will be willing to sacrefice themselves to help if anything happened to them.

In an unsafe society where everyone saves themselves, a kid cannot go outside alone.

That is the difference. (BTW, I had no idea just how bad of a place America was, until I learned, that "just walking outside" is considered suspicious)

@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Griffith @BowsacNoodle
And obviously, in here, it is 30x easier to press blue then in real life.

The real threat to life would overwtire everyone's real logic into pressing red anyway. Therefore, this thread is just a funny post to me anyway.

Please, I hope noone takes it too seriously. :D

@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Griffith @BowsacNoodle
Don't you think that expecting people to act "fully rationally" is the peak midwhitery though?

I press blue expecting that at least 50% of people will either be stupid, or willing to ensure the good outcome for everyone, since anyone without a robotic thinking will know that there are people in the blue category.

@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Griffith @BowsacNoodle
Well, you could call me midwhit if that is a sufficient explanation, but I simply do not expect everyone to act rational. Where did that ever happen in hystory?

Nah. I want to go for the option, that ends up with noone dying. Simple as that. And we both know, that there will be many people who will try to save everyone, and that knowledge itself turns the red button from "obvious" to a selfish one.

@beardalaxy
Every single scenario that begins with "if everyone" is about as useful as information that if all atoms aligned, you can pass through objects.

@Griffith @BowsacNoodle
And that worst outcome is exactly, where your thought process lead us to though :D

@sj_zero
A society can only work in a world, where half of people are willing to press the blue button, knowing that they can rely on others pressing it too.

@Griffith @BowsacNoodle
And yes, I know, that the entire question is a framing issue, but a truly interesting one.

@Griffith @BowsacNoodle
There is no potential bad outcome, if everyone pushes blue either.

Do you seriously not see, that you wrote a tautology?
You wrote a "there is no bad outcome in 0.001% of cases" while I said that there is no bad outcome if just 50% of people are good.

@Griffith @BowsacNoodle
Pressing red assumes that everyone is as selfish as you, or that people are not worth saving.

Pressing blue is hoping that at least 50% of people are good people.

re: my choice and rationale 

@Griffith @BowsacNoodle
Do you understand the concept of world existing outside of your "everyone agrees with me" framework?

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