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@oxblood @alex
The only part of the video that I am still shocked by is that all of them survived.

@servant_of_the_anime_avatars @okabe_rintarou
I said that I do understand your side, but different brains do work differently. (big surprise)

Is there anything you do not understand about my opinion on the topic?

@servant_of_the_anime_avatars @okabe_rintarou
I am sure you're joking now.
Games do become stale much faster when they do not change across time. That is why I louthe Dota Counter strike etc. These games might have a "fun loop", but without any progression, they get boring really fast.

Congratulation... you played 3 rounds of Dota, nothing new for you here... EVER....

That is why I like progression system. The game does transform. Flying jets is different from flying bi-planes. And you value jets, since you "spent" time getting them.

Yes, I get you don't enjoy it as much as I do, but what exactly do you not understand?

@servant_of_the_anime_avatars @okabe_rintarou
Yeah, daily quests are anoying... Dayly logins pointless.

But these are not the progression system itself.

As long as you can ignore these "direct orders" and gring on your own paste, it can highly enhance your game.

as I said, I get it. The ammount of videos complaining about "endless GTAV grind/ Endless War Thunder grind" are everywhere, but guess what. I love playing both of these games, because they do have a good gameplay loop. and it is enhanced by knowing what you are going to get next.

Obviously, there are some players who end up anoyed and spending money instead, but I don't care. I loke playing the game. Skipping the progression would be killing the game itself.

@servant_of_the_anime_avatars @okabe_rintarou

In that case, I have no idea what you're talking about. If the game is boring, it's time to quit. No matter what colors will the boring game have 30h down the line.

I guess I am dumb this way. I would quit my job as well if it had nothing to offer to me. And I did, so why would I keep playing a game like that?

I do not think that the phenomena you're describing is something I can immagine existing.

I don't get it.

@servant_of_the_anime_avatars @okabe_rintarou

"Progression systems are never fun"

If this is your base assumption, then no ammount of arguing will change your ming I guess.

what a shame.

@servant_of_the_anime_avatars @okabe_rintarou
Again you seem to miss the point completelly.

games DO pay me with enjoyment and in-game rewards. If they do not pay me enough, I quit.

Job does pay me with enjoyment and money. if they do not pay me enough I quit.

Now, if you think that money and enjoyment are not comparable, then you should research ways of exchanging money for enjoyment...

@servant_of_the_anime_avatars @okabe_rintarou
Riight...
I mean, nothing you said was wrong, but you seem to separate job ang games for some reason. My job is literaly a game. I get a task every morning, and I try to het "a high score" for a reward. It is fun and I have a goal that I can see getting closer to every single day.

But I was not emplayed my entire life. So, my brain has to be looking for this kind of stimulation elsewhere.

That does not mean, that they are not the same to the brain. I work every day in my job to be better and get better rewards. So I do in games.

Where exactly do you see the difference?

@servant_of_the_anime_avatars @okabe_rintarou
WRONG

Yes, it is a manipulation. And yes, basic game loop should be fun even without unlock system.

But when you download a game, you agree to be manipulated for fun. Every social interaction we make is manipulative. Every talk with both boss and friends is full of manipulation.

But ok, I get it. I value honesty as well. Next time your GF asks, if she looks fat, please, do answer honestly even though she agreed to being manipulated by asking trap question...

@okabe_rintarou
BTW, I am seriously considering contacting support to remove my premium edition from the game.

@okabe_rintarou
Obviously the game "should" be fun on it's own. But even though lootboxes get a ton of deserved hate, unlock system is a HUGE motivation to play some games.

But in this case, the game feels empty. Never seen anything like it.

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