@Eris @alyx It is true to that when you create a work of art you have not created an infinite number of other works. However nobody would dispute that this is different fundamentally from destroying a painting or demolishing a statue.

@Greannach @alyx Your argument is bad and dumb but his counterarguments are badder and dumber.

@Eris @alyx Thats what I count on.

@Greannach @alyx

This thread illustrates my original point wonderfully.
To justify murder this man is now seriously asking the question "what even is a human anyway?"

@Eris @Greannach
>"what even is a person anyway"
There. Fixed it for you.

@alyx @Eris The separation you are making between human and person is not appropriate in this context. You have not established any distinction.

@Greannach @alyx I'm supposed to sit here and pretend you don't know what a human is and that we need some rigorous methodology for figuring out what's going on with this "human" thing anyway.
It's a charade game made to gaslight, and it's the best argument pro-murder advocates can come up with.

@Eris @alyx I, on the other hand, would entertain the notion if any actual argument was made. But I dont see the distinction, it just sounds like you're grasping to justify baby murder. lol

@Greannach @Eris
I love how you guys keep conflating stuff. He's with "person = human", you're with "fetus = baby". Keep going.

@alyx @Eris That was a joke my dude

@alyx @Greannach We see no distinctions there. That's not conflation.

@alyx @Greannach

"I see a distinction here and you don't. Obviously my perspective is correct because SCIENCE!!!! so you are conflating"
You people think like retards.

@Greannach @Eris
What purpose would it fulfill to state the distinction, if Einstein over here things his foot is a person?

@alyx @Greannach Why are you here if you don't want to talk to us?

@alyx “the distinction”

This is very misleading. It implies you have command over the language such that you can unilaterally decide what “the distinction” between humans and persons is. It’s a Jewish redefinition, language-loading game.

@Greannach @Eris

@NEETzsche @Eris @Greannach
Command? No. A better understanding of the language, maybe.

@alyx @NEETzsche @Greannach

Different, not better.

@alyx @NEETzsche @Greannach Part of arguing is placing your position on equal value to the one you are opposing. You seem unable to do that.

@Eris @alyx @NEETzsche You gotta have at least a drop of empathy for your opponent to actually argue with them. Otherwise you just end up making dismissive passive aggressive statements.

@Eris @NEETzsche @Greannach
So "the earth is flat" is on equal value to "the earth is a sphere"?

@alyx @NEETzsche @Greannach Yes. Both of those are opinions. Someone on either side who wants to argue with the other needs to understand that.
A round earther cannot just go "You are a flat earther therefore i win." That's not how arguments work.

@alyx >So “the earth is flat” is on equal value to “the earth is a sphere”?

If we’re in a flat vs round earth debate, yes. You don’t think certain positions effectively get an autowin when they end up debated, do you?

@Eris @Greannach

@NEETzsche @alyx @Eris Anyway Ill cut out of this debate now, but Ill add lastly, hopefully you Alyx will reconsider your support of baby murder, even if it is just to consider being less tolerant to its most liberal excesses.

@alyx @Eris @NEETzsche @Greannach Shut the fuck up globetard

@sasquatch_gang @alyx @Greannach @NEETzsche

Broke: The Earth is a sphere.
Woke: The Earth is flat.
Bespoke: The Earth is a torus.

@Eris Ascended: Earth is a time cube

https://web.archive.org/web/20150506055228/http://www.timecube.com/index.html

@sasquatch_gang @Greannach @alyx

@alyx “a better understanding of the language, maybe”

I highly doubt it, since we’re all writing to each other in the same language and I can efficiently categorize your word games.

@Eris @Greannach

@NEETzsche @alyx @Greannach

The quality of your argument is defined by how well it conforms to how he thinks.

@Eris Anyway, the only coherent argument I can think of that abortion isn’t a type of murder is that, depending on your jurisdiction, abortion might be legal. Murder is generally considered to be illegal homicide, not merely premeditated homicide.

That’s a legalistic argument, though, and it’s me playing devil’s advocate. We should totally banhammer abortion as a form of murder at the Federal level, femoids get rekt

@Greannach @alyx

@NEETzsche @Greannach @alyx

>Murder is generally considered to be illegal homicide, not merely premeditated homicide.
This is why most dictionary definitions of murder are shit and wrong.
>and it’s me playing devil’s advocate.
The beginning of wisdom for me was learning never to do that.

@NEETzsche @Eris @alyx Yes I think Eris and I were thinking of murder in the biblical sense instead of the modern legal sense.

@Greannach @NEETzsche @alyx I define murder as "The unjustified killing of a human being who is a co-member of your society."

@Eris @NEETzsche @alyx Right, that's a fairly universal definition I think. More or less.

@Greannach @NEETzsche @alyx It's a universal definition. That's how morality works. The universe (God) defines these things.

@Greannach @Eris @alyx I define murder as “homicide that pisses God off.” Abortion qualifies.

@alyx @Greannach Both are dumb questions based on a pretense.