There's one thing you NEVER get to lecture me on, and that's what a dictator looks like. If your country never experienced any of the authoritarian nightmares that branched from Marxism, yes including fascism, you don't have a right to debate me.
It keeps going no matter what side has the power, and no matter what "$current_crisis" is. It feels like the entire society collectively has a severe case of "calibration out of wack" to what evil really looks like, so they think every resistance they face in getting what they want is "real evil". The entire country is having a continuous panic attack, and no one at the leadership level has the incentive to stop it, because if they try to stop the panic first, their opponents would "win". Heck, even the good old trick, of having your entire people focus on an external dangerous unifying enemy monster, doesn't seem to work anymore in the US. Maybe it was used one too many times and people grew a tolerance.
I have my suspicion, and fear, that democracy, anywhere and everywhere, will eventually implode unless making people intentionally anxious and afraid, for views or votes or power of any kind, fraudulently, becomes an outdated strategy that doesn't work from a game theory perspective. How that can be achieved, I don't know. Fear after all is one of the oldest and most powerful motivators of humans, to act together, since time immemorial.
@rozenglass
Yeah. I fear that democracy is already starting to implode in EU. But my fear as an Eastern European still lies with what is happening with US, because throughout my whole life, I've seen Europeans here emulate whatever happens there, either intentionally or because we're subconsciously copying US like it's our big brother.
If US goes down the communist rabbit hole, we're sure to return to what you describe. If US recovers, relearns what free speech and freedom in general means, then we'll redress some of our issues too. US has been a lifeline for Europe for close to a century now.
I was lucky enough to not live myself under a dictatorship rule, but the ravages of that dictatorship, and the lessons from it, are still everywhere to be seen by those who can open their eyes to see and learn from it.
You mentioned school uniforms. Communism here theoretically ended when the 90s started. We still had the uniforms mandatory nationwide a few years into the 2000s. Some highschools still enforce it to this day.
Then there's the systemic corruption that became a thing because of the twisted mentality communism brings along with it. There are countless scars here that are no wear near close to healing, and some morons in the west are trying to experiment with the same madness again.
I find it hilarious how much fear mongering there is in America about Nazis, but those same people say nothing about the horror of Communism, especially as pretty much every major communist attempt devolves in the same thing: a slightly different form of national socialism dictatorship, that sometimes chooses a different class of people to politically persecute.
I see University aged Americans say "true communism has never been tried" or "we'll do it right this time" and it's just horrifying to me.
so yes, it is mostly a class of nobility, what makes it slightly more tolerable, is that outsiders have a chance of becoming noblemen if they work hard enough, and noblemen have a chance of being kicked out of the club if they're outrageous enough. this limits how good the system can get, but also limits how bad the system can get. well, in theory... although our friends in the US seem to be collectively trying so hard to prove that there is no limit to how bad it can get :p
but at least, so far, it's still not /too/ bad.
here's hope for better days ahead, for all.
@rozenglass @WhitestTemplar
Personally, what I'm actually interested is liberty, human rights being protected, and a fairly stable society overall. I'm not necessarily married to democracy per se. If someone conceives a system that is better able to guarantee what I'm looking for, I'm open to hearing it. But I already know that nothing derived from marxism can do that. So seeing representative democracy has the better track record, I'm sticking with that for now.
As for US, I think they've been trying to tack on more and more on top of what used to be a bare-bone democracy. More specifically, some of them have been looking at promises that socialism makes on paper. And it destabilized things as this hybrid creation grew in size. Some Americans now want to take things back a little, to regain stability, and the others are going full gas out of panic. Which has basically caused everyone to panic.
@WhitestTemplar @rozenglass
Yeah, I was about to say earlier, we're ultimately not biologically set up for grand countries of hundred of millions of people under one government. And in a sense, we do form tribes in western nations. You have a tribe of work colleagues (or a tribe of schoolmates in University), you have a tribe of neighbors, maybe a tribe of a hobby you follow. That's realistically how we actually function from day to day.
But somehow, for better or worse, there are elements that unite these small tribes we have in a larger cultural framework, elements such as language, a shared religion for some, a common history, etc. So it became useful to have a central government that protects the borders surrounding this large cultural framework. But these governments now encompass things that really should remain at that small tribe level.
A common thing that has annoyed the hell out of me for the last decade... I keep having the expectation that as adults, we can talk through things. If two people get into a fight, they're the ones that should deal with it, make up, apologize, or whatever. If I insult you, and you don't like it, you explain to me how it bothered you, maybe I fell sorry and apologize, things that you learn as a fucking kid.
But instead, the world transformed in a way where two people upset with each other no longer talk it out like adults. Instead some grand authority, whether it's Twitter/Reddit mods, or your jobs HR team, intervenes and levies out punishments. They chastise you, tell you how evil you are. But you never get to talk it out, you don't even get to say your side of the story, so instead of understanding the person you hurt, how you hurt them, and growing as a person, you only really have reason to become resentful. So next time, you're likely to be a bigger asshole.
I give this example, because it feels like the most simple of human interactions are now subjected to this weird, ad-hoc, governmental system. Communication no longer feels like it's between two people. It's through the approval of self-appointed mini-governments, and tyrannical ones at that. I feel like we're unironically inching closer towards "oy, you have a loicense for that speech".
Im tired of it i dont want democracy. Democracy is what ruined the USA, we need national socialism handled by alt right extremist. Only way turn things around. This country has lost its way and pander to satanist rather than the righteous.
@demonofustio @rozenglass @WhitestTemplar
If you don't want democracy, I understand and have no desire to change your mind. But I promise you, whatever you might want out of a governmental system, you won't get from national socialism, or any other Marxist derived ideology. They're simply worst at creating prosperity long term than a basic democracy+capitalism combo.
@WhitestTemplar @rozenglass @demonofustio
Yes it is. The whole of fascism is. They looked at Marxism/Communism, thought the idea is neat, but realized unless you get global communism, you'd get invaded and eradicated (both ideologically, but also in the classic territorial sense of the word). And they thought doing global communism was unrealistic, so they added a strong nationalistic bend to it, to protect the society from the outside.
It's likely that the whole reason we're getting "globo homo" now, as people like to call it, is because they saw that even nationalist socialism fails at protecting its borders, so the only solution left is trying what the fascist thought impossible, going full global communism.
Indoctrinate the whole planet with the same ideology, have everyone march in lockstep, have everyone agree to the "greater good", and you get your perfect worker ants that work as your slaves.
@WhitestTemplar @rozenglass @demonofustio
>Bro, people still owned shops and shit in Nazi Germany
Up until the state decided to declare whatever you sold was "degeneracy", or decided you had to change what you made or sold for "the greater good". They were less overt than communists, but if you think people were actually in control, you're deluded. If anything, they were closer to how China does things today. They infiltrate CCP members in a big company's board to "nudge" them. And if you refuge the nudge... you disappear. Get called a traitor or threat to the nation, and... goodbye. And let's not pretend Hitler didn't stoop to declare people who disagreed with him as a threat to the country and have them arrested.
Just FYI, pretty much every communist country was basically a nationalist-socialist in effect. Nationalism was employed by all of them to keep population in order.
So yeah, in practice fascism is closer to communism then you realize. But it's ironic to see a proponent of nazism telling me I swallowed propaganda.
a race blind propaganda movement
which will never gain power
or
group collectivize
@charliebrownau @rozenglass @demonofustio @WhitestTemplar
Not a libertarian. 
International Liberal Demoracy
to remove all rights and subvert nations
It forbodes the principals made by the almighty that hold this god green earth together. They literally try too allow everything while limiting the opposing spectrum into oblivion. This is the thing weve been warned about in mein kampf.
But no one has read it because, the opposing side, restrict our ability to learn or read it.
Liberalism are a bunch of communist agents.
Country prevents you from speaking truth.
Being racially aware is racist.
Being questionable about the holocaust make you anti semitic.
Not hiring a certain threshold for DEI hire doeant gove you kick back from us govt.
Not getting out on time from work results in write up and no laws protect you from doing extra work.
(German laws of 1928 to 1940 protected ita working class)
Your company has a 300hours labor limit or it will be imposed high peanlties and fines from us govt whoch can range from 5000 to 10k dollar.
Democracy is a forceful thing.
@demonofustio @Witch_Hunter_Siegfried @rozenglass @WhitestTemplar
>Country prevents you from speaking truth.
You seem to be speaking just fine to me.
>Being racially aware is racist.
I've seen people like you, you're not "racially aware", you're full blown racist.
>Being questionable about the holocaust make you anti semitic
Sure, and? It's not illegal to be anti-semitic in US. What, you can't cope with someone calling you names?
>Not hiring a certain threshold for DEI hire doeant gove you kick back from us govt
Why do you need kick backs from a government you seemingly despise?
>Not getting out on time from work results in write up
I'm confused, are you saying staying over schedule gets you punished at work? That's a weird complaint to have. Maybe I misunderstood.
@Witch_Hunter_Siegfried @rozenglass @demonofustio @WhitestTemplar
1) not to the same degree. Not even close.
2) they try, but then you vote in a Trump-like figure, and then he fucks up all their plans, and they screech like maniacs for 8 years straight.
I'm not saying democracy is perfect. It's not. Nothing is, because humans are imperfect. But it still has more tools to improve things than any authoritarian system does.
Your stated opinion seems to imply that the world is run by secret, invisible "Globalist Nazi's" as opposed to the very obvious and provable Zionists who currently run the world. Were the Zionists secretly behind Hitler's rise to power?
This whole concept sounds rather far-fetched.
@LivingSpaceStudios @rozenglass @demonofustio @WhitestTemplar
If you could read, you'd realized that the first "they" refers to the people who came up with fascism in the first place. After that (since we all know fascism failed miserably), I talk about the next generation of Marxist wannabes, a separate group of "they", that analyzed all previous iterations of Marxist derived ideologies and regimes, and realized that global communism really is the only way to achieve it.
So no, I'm not talking about "globalist nazis", nor am I talking about Zionists.
But in your primitive mind, I'm sure you're unable to make a distinction between Communists in general and Jews wanting to have their state in the Middle East.
Also your response doesn't really address the obvious fact that White National Socialists and Jewish Marxists are obviously two distinct groups with their own goals and identity. Groups which are, in fact, distinctly opposed to each other in every conceivable manner.
Furthermore, there is no distinction between Communists and "Jews wanting to have their state in the Middle East" because Israel was literally founded by Antifa and was done so by destroying the sovereignty of an already existing Nationalist entity (i.e, the Palestinian government and it's people).
@LivingSpaceStudios @rozenglass @demonofustio @WhitestTemplar
You just continue to prove your ignorance.
1) Antifa has nothing to do with Israel.
2) There was never such a thing as a Palestinian government, Palestinian state, or even a Palestinian people. The Palestinians of today are literally the result of Arabs getting pissed off that Israel exists (because their religion is deeply antisemitic) and inventing a new nationality overnight to play identity politics. Remember when a few trolls came up with Kekistan and memed about it for a while? That's literally what "Palestine" is, only they actually took it seriously.
>Also your response doesn't really address the obvious fact that White National Socialists and Jewish Marxists are obviously two distinct groups
You could say that they're as distinct as Pepsi and Cola, but they taste somewhat similar and they both ultimately lead to cancer.
I suspect this is a jew. The fact she says whats wrong with israel having its own state just shows where she aligns.
Or (it)
@WhitestTemplar @rozenglass @demonofustio
As for prosperity for who, the average person still has it better off than any socialistic model. Even national socialism has you sacrifice yourself for "the better good of the nation". But the better good of the nation usually just means whatever whims the dictator has. And you don't even get the illusion of choice in the matter.
You need to read mein kampf and see how bad democracy impoverished germany after wwi. What capitalism did to germany right after wwi was a crime.
It was national socialism that put an end to all the bad thing and gave everything back to the german people.
You are brain washed by institutional goy slop education.
Remember public education has made the country dumber not smarter.
And this is controlled by democracy by the way.
National socialism, although controlled by the state, still turned everything around for germany.
Hitler makes a really good point about education in his book. Ita doeant matter what government it is that controls the education. If the bad guy control it, they will direct the country to ruin.
His party took over, it led the country to success.
@demonofustio @rozenglass @WhitestTemplar
>you need to read the screechings of a deranged mad man.
No thanks. I'd rather read reality, not the conspiratorial mutterings of someone who couldn't cope with the fact that he was a shitty painter.
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@alyx
> They're simply worst at creating prosperity long term than a basic democracy+capitalism combo.
That's kinda not true at all, though. @demonofustio @rozenglass @WhitestTemplar
@adiz @demonofustio @rozenglass @WhitestTemplar
History has proved otherwise.
@alyx If by "history" you mean, essentially, just the last century or so. And, therein, Marxism has consistently beaten it insofar as fast, effective development for the greatest number of people. In either case, both systems have demonstrable failure and breakdown within the time-span of approximately 100 years. @demonofustio @rozenglass @WhitestTemplar
Communism aka marxism/zionism is a jewish invention.
The opposing side and ideology that rejected marxism and communism is national socialism.
It is a derived conservative and alt right extremist ideology where the state party takes control of complete power for the people and is governed by righteous political group.
The government is actually smaller and doesnt have all these different government organizations like communism or democratic system that end up doing the same job in 40 different admin wasting valuable tax dollar.
Individuals in nazi germany could still own a business privately and not be hampered by the nazi party to self govern their business.
Its crazy you dont know this. Because they dont teach this stuff in school.
They dont want you to know this specific knowledge because this very thing is what uprooted all the corrupted politicians in germany. The nazis party put an end to all the evil that happened in germany, which is happening now in the usa.
The only country to get out of the great depression was germany. Not the usa.
Ethnic Nationalism was the default of all ethnic nations
before WWII/WWI/last realm reset
Multiculturalism = Ethnic Nationalist Genocide / White Genocide / Goyim genocide
What good is kosher liberal democracy ?
The things i hear from boomers are fucking RETARDED!
"oh dont worry gas prices will go down"
"Oh you wont be taxed for your tips"
Like who even reports tips collected? Tips beong taxed??? These people are beyond fucking stupid, i dont understand how any of them has masters or bachelors degree.
But no, I gotta see one low-IQ political take after another consisting entirely of "well MY authoritarianism is better than YOUR authoritarianism! freedom and self-determination is lolbert cringe bro, I need a sweaty leather daddy to boss me around my whole life because I'm not man enough to take my own life in my own hands"
on repeat because the only way to stop it is to block everyone in this thread.Hell, maybe I should, because "you can't just do things, you gotta be a submissive little bitch towards a big tough hairy strong man and wait for him to tell you what to do and when to do it, being dommed by a big tough hairy strong man your whole life is totally not gay as hell" pretty much sums up 99% of fedi political takes ever.
People think its a marxist creation. I honestly thought it was until i did my deep dive on germany and the nazis policy.
There is a lot of misconception about nazism because i blame our jewish slop controlled public education system.
The same education system making its next generation of US kids dumber and dumber every year.
@cowanon @charliebrownau @demonofustio @WhitestTemplar
I'd never though I'd say this... but based.
@demonofustio @rozenglass @WhitestTemplar
Maybe you missed an earlier response I did, but the whole of fascism is derived from marxism. You can cope and say it's a distant cousin of communism, but for Christ's sake. It's literally in the name. What, you think the "socialism" in "national socialism" is just for show?
socialism and national socialism are not the same. socialism is marxist and prelude to communism. national socialism is not based in communism or marxism as it predated both of those by many hundreds of years .
German national socialism was based on a “Weltanschauung” or ‘world view’ which sought to combine and preserve the racial-ethnic-cultural-spiritual-linguistic solidarity amongst the German people as a unified nation “the Volk” which is intimately bound to it’s own soil. Hence ‘National’.
But ‘Socialist’, in "national socialism", was never to be confused with Marxist doctrine, but rather, referred to the true, original, ancient German socialism practiced as far back as roman times. Hitler even stated this many times
Excerpted from an interview of Adolf Hitler by George Sylvester Viereck which took place in 1923 and republished in Liberty magazine in July 1932: “Why,” I asked Hitler, “do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party programme is the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism?” “Socialism,” he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, pugnaciously, “is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists. “Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.
@homesteader_surfer @rozenglass @demonofustio @WhitestTemplar
>nationalist socialist predates marxism
Oh boy... How do you even argue with someone who is THAT wrong. I remember there being a saying that went something like "you're not even wrong". That's basically you. You have a long ways to learns before you can get at the point of being just wrong.
great argument and refutation of the fact
tell me you have never heard of Weltanschauung without telling me you never heard of it
Hitler's version of national socialism did not spawn from the marxian socialism that you are talking about and calling national socialism... just like potato chips do not spawn from micro chips
his version arose from something much older from the German volkism, which you are failing to understand the difference and delineation
