There's one thing you NEVER get to lecture me on, and that's what a dictator looks like. If your country never experienced any of the authoritarian nightmares that branched from Marxism, yes including fascism, you don't have a right to debate me.
It keeps going no matter what side has the power, and no matter what "$current_crisis" is. It feels like the entire society collectively has a severe case of "calibration out of wack" to what evil really looks like, so they think every resistance they face in getting what they want is "real evil". The entire country is having a continuous panic attack, and no one at the leadership level has the incentive to stop it, because if they try to stop the panic first, their opponents would "win". Heck, even the good old trick, of having your entire people focus on an external dangerous unifying enemy monster, doesn't seem to work anymore in the US. Maybe it was used one too many times and people grew a tolerance.
I have my suspicion, and fear, that democracy, anywhere and everywhere, will eventually implode unless making people intentionally anxious and afraid, for views or votes or power of any kind, fraudulently, becomes an outdated strategy that doesn't work from a game theory perspective. How that can be achieved, I don't know. Fear after all is one of the oldest and most powerful motivators of humans, to act together, since time immemorial.
@rozenglass
Yeah. I fear that democracy is already starting to implode in EU. But my fear as an Eastern European still lies with what is happening with US, because throughout my whole life, I've seen Europeans here emulate whatever happens there, either intentionally or because we're subconsciously copying US like it's our big brother.
If US goes down the communist rabbit hole, we're sure to return to what you describe. If US recovers, relearns what free speech and freedom in general means, then we'll redress some of our issues too. US has been a lifeline for Europe for close to a century now.
I was lucky enough to not live myself under a dictatorship rule, but the ravages of that dictatorship, and the lessons from it, are still everywhere to be seen by those who can open their eyes to see and learn from it.
You mentioned school uniforms. Communism here theoretically ended when the 90s started. We still had the uniforms mandatory nationwide a few years into the 2000s. Some highschools still enforce it to this day.
Then there's the systemic corruption that became a thing because of the twisted mentality communism brings along with it. There are countless scars here that are no wear near close to healing, and some morons in the west are trying to experiment with the same madness again.
I find it hilarious how much fear mongering there is in America about Nazis, but those same people say nothing about the horror of Communism, especially as pretty much every major communist attempt devolves in the same thing: a slightly different form of national socialism dictatorship, that sometimes chooses a different class of people to politically persecute.
I see University aged Americans say "true communism has never been tried" or "we'll do it right this time" and it's just horrifying to me.
so yes, it is mostly a class of nobility, what makes it slightly more tolerable, is that outsiders have a chance of becoming noblemen if they work hard enough, and noblemen have a chance of being kicked out of the club if they're outrageous enough. this limits how good the system can get, but also limits how bad the system can get. well, in theory... although our friends in the US seem to be collectively trying so hard to prove that there is no limit to how bad it can get :p
but at least, so far, it's still not /too/ bad.
here's hope for better days ahead, for all.
@rozenglass @WhitestTemplar
Personally, what I'm actually interested is liberty, human rights being protected, and a fairly stable society overall. I'm not necessarily married to democracy per se. If someone conceives a system that is better able to guarantee what I'm looking for, I'm open to hearing it. But I already know that nothing derived from marxism can do that. So seeing representative democracy has the better track record, I'm sticking with that for now.
As for US, I think they've been trying to tack on more and more on top of what used to be a bare-bone democracy. More specifically, some of them have been looking at promises that socialism makes on paper. And it destabilized things as this hybrid creation grew in size. Some Americans now want to take things back a little, to regain stability, and the others are going full gas out of panic. Which has basically caused everyone to panic.
@WhitestTemplar @rozenglass
Yeah, I was about to say earlier, we're ultimately not biologically set up for grand countries of hundred of millions of people under one government. And in a sense, we do form tribes in western nations. You have a tribe of work colleagues (or a tribe of schoolmates in University), you have a tribe of neighbors, maybe a tribe of a hobby you follow. That's realistically how we actually function from day to day.
But somehow, for better or worse, there are elements that unite these small tribes we have in a larger cultural framework, elements such as language, a shared religion for some, a common history, etc. So it became useful to have a central government that protects the borders surrounding this large cultural framework. But these governments now encompass things that really should remain at that small tribe level.
A common thing that has annoyed the hell out of me for the last decade... I keep having the expectation that as adults, we can talk through things. If two people get into a fight, they're the ones that should deal with it, make up, apologize, or whatever. If I insult you, and you don't like it, you explain to me how it bothered you, maybe I fell sorry and apologize, things that you learn as a fucking kid.
But instead, the world transformed in a way where two people upset with each other no longer talk it out like adults. Instead some grand authority, whether it's Twitter/Reddit mods, or your jobs HR team, intervenes and levies out punishments. They chastise you, tell you how evil you are. But you never get to talk it out, you don't even get to say your side of the story, so instead of understanding the person you hurt, how you hurt them, and growing as a person, you only really have reason to become resentful. So next time, you're likely to be a bigger asshole.
I give this example, because it feels like the most simple of human interactions are now subjected to this weird, ad-hoc, governmental system. Communication no longer feels like it's between two people. It's through the approval of self-appointed mini-governments, and tyrannical ones at that. I feel like we're unironically inching closer towards "oy, you have a loicense for that speech".
Im tired of it i dont want democracy. Democracy is what ruined the USA, we need national socialism handled by alt right extremist. Only way turn things around. This country has lost its way and pander to satanist rather than the righteous.
@demonofustio @rozenglass @WhitestTemplar
If you don't want democracy, I understand and have no desire to change your mind. But I promise you, whatever you might want out of a governmental system, you won't get from national socialism, or any other Marxist derived ideology. They're simply worst at creating prosperity long term than a basic democracy+capitalism combo.
@WhitestTemplar @rozenglass @demonofustio
Yes it is. The whole of fascism is. They looked at Marxism/Communism, thought the idea is neat, but realized unless you get global communism, you'd get invaded and eradicated (both ideologically, but also in the classic territorial sense of the word). And they thought doing global communism was unrealistic, so they added a strong nationalistic bend to it, to protect the society from the outside.
It's likely that the whole reason we're getting "globo homo" now, as people like to call it, is because they saw that even nationalist socialism fails at protecting its borders, so the only solution left is trying what the fascist thought impossible, going full global communism.
Indoctrinate the whole planet with the same ideology, have everyone march in lockstep, have everyone agree to the "greater good", and you get your perfect worker ants that work as your slaves.
Your stated opinion seems to imply that the world is run by secret, invisible "Globalist Nazi's" as opposed to the very obvious and provable Zionists who currently run the world. Were the Zionists secretly behind Hitler's rise to power?
This whole concept sounds rather far-fetched.
@LivingSpaceStudios @rozenglass @demonofustio @WhitestTemplar
If you could read, you'd realized that the first "they" refers to the people who came up with fascism in the first place. After that (since we all know fascism failed miserably), I talk about the next generation of Marxist wannabes, a separate group of "they", that analyzed all previous iterations of Marxist derived ideologies and regimes, and realized that global communism really is the only way to achieve it.
So no, I'm not talking about "globalist nazis", nor am I talking about Zionists.
But in your primitive mind, I'm sure you're unable to make a distinction between Communists in general and Jews wanting to have their state in the Middle East.
@LivingSpaceStudios @rozenglass @demonofustio @WhitestTemplar
You just continue to prove your ignorance.
1) Antifa has nothing to do with Israel.
2) There was never such a thing as a Palestinian government, Palestinian state, or even a Palestinian people. The Palestinians of today are literally the result of Arabs getting pissed off that Israel exists (because their religion is deeply antisemitic) and inventing a new nationality overnight to play identity politics. Remember when a few trolls came up with Kekistan and memed about it for a while? That's literally what "Palestine" is, only they actually took it seriously.
>Also your response doesn't really address the obvious fact that White National Socialists and Jewish Marxists are obviously two distinct groups
You could say that they're as distinct as Pepsi and Cola, but they taste somewhat similar and they both ultimately lead to cancer.
I suspect this is a jew. The fact she says whats wrong with israel having its own state just shows where she aligns.
Or (it)
Also your response doesn't really address the obvious fact that White National Socialists and Jewish Marxists are obviously two distinct groups with their own goals and identity. Groups which are, in fact, distinctly opposed to each other in every conceivable manner.
Furthermore, there is no distinction between Communists and "Jews wanting to have their state in the Middle East" because Israel was literally founded by Antifa and was done so by destroying the sovereignty of an already existing Nationalist entity (i.e, the Palestinian government and it's people).