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romanian politics
I decided against posting this earlier, cause I thought it was kind cringe. But I changed my mind, cause I'm a bit pissed off by EU right now, so I'm gonna rant probably.
These are the results from the first round of presidential election do-over.
The guy in the first place is the "sovereign" "far-right" candidate, that took up the mantle of the banned candidate Călin Georgescu. AUR is a newish party, with a reputation of being loud and obnoxious. Not particularly bright either. George Simion is quite a fitting leader for them.
2nd and 3rd places are the pro-EU candidates.
Nicușor Dan ran as independent, although he was given support by the USR party (who basically back stabbed their own representative and party leader, Elena Lasconi, which came in 5th). He also used to be head of USR party, but they broke up at some point, don't really know.
The party itself is considered the "progressive" one, though they're kinda viewed as anti-establishment here, and they're not as well entrenched with the Bruxelles crowed as...
Crin Antonescu is the representative for the alliance of the old guard, the establishment, the main political parties with which EU is used to deal with here: PSD, PNL, and UDMR. UDMR is a minority party, of magyars (Hungarian minority), so it's not that big, but PSD (left-wing) and PNL (center-right... supposedly) are the big guns. They're the Tories and Labour of Romanian politics. And they've been eliminated from going in the second round.
However the second round goes, it really isn't what EU would have hoped for.
But for now, my bet is that they're gonna get the worst outcome for them. You see, I skipped talking about the 4th placed guy, Victor Ponta. The guy is a joke these days, but he ran on a similar platform to the #1 guy, George Simion. Which means... in round 2, most of his voters are expected to go to Simion. If you add the votes together, that's up to 5 million votes, or 53% of the total votes...
Not only has the pro-EU side been trounced, but the "sovereign" vote has actually increased since the cancelled 2024 election, when this camp had "only" 3.4 million votes.
Back in December, the pro-EU side still had a reasonable shot at banding together, uniting their forces and winning the 2nd round fair and square. Now they are severely fucked.
They can try to cancel these elections again... there's been a bit of mass media prodding to see how people would react to it. But there's nothing they can reasonably do that won't backfire immensely.
Right now, they may very well try to outright tamper with ballots and steal the election in the 2nd round. It has happened before, and even USR has been a part before of covering up some shitty business at local election level. But with this result, and with an even more disproportionate support of Simion in our diaspora (where they voted 60% in favor of him), it would be a figurative bloodbath if anyone even smells fraud.
This will be two interesting weeks for us.
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@BasedLunatic
Oh, it's been done before. It's not even close to the first time EU leadership nudged things to how they preferred. It's just that now it's more blatant and there's no more reasonable cover that people can believe.
We were told elections had to be cancelled because there was Russian interference. I was reasonable, I waited to see the evidence.
We're 5 months removed, and we haven't seen evidence that proves Russia changed the course of those elections. We haven't even seen evidence of a "disinformation" campaign large enough to influence the results of that election.
@p And presumably you also have to ban parties that start becoming too popular. Heil Germany and their perfect vision of democracy! Clearly they will teach us democracy, even if it will need sending stubborn people to reeducation camps to do it.
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@BasedLunatic
I've heard all kinds of theories. Ultimately it doesn't matter who did what as long as you can't prove it was done by nefarious Russian or other enemy nation influence.
The burden of proof was on authorities to prove "Russian meddling". They failed.
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@pernia @BasedLunatic
It was technically canceled by our Constitutional Court... but when you factor in that the court assembled by itself to issue the ruling, without a case being brought in front of them, like you normally expect... I'm sure you can start to see where this is going.
There were definitely some talks behind the scenes. Hard to say how far they go, but then we also have an EU politician that, while answering about how EU will deal with AfD's rising popularity, he says something to the effect of "we have various legal procedures to ensure extremists don't end in power, like what happened in Romania for example".
Meanwhile, yeah, our authorities keep saying the cancelling was justified, EU hasn't said anything contradicting that position so far. The only nation that so far criticized the events has been USA through JD Vance.
Also, good job to the EU for effectively endorsing the Establishment suppression of the nationalists I think a lot of Romanians were ready to just blame the PSD mafia for what their court did, but EU ghouls just had to speak out in favor of those blatant attacks on democracy, and managed to damage the EU's credibility as well.
I can tell the next elections OTHER TRUE RIGHT WING PARTY will became the next majority for at least two elections.
@ChristiJunior
Oh, I can't wait to start hearing EU comment on these results. That's gonna be fun.
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romanian politics
@alyx I'm hoping for the best outcome possible for you guys
romanian politics
@alyx Not to get political or anything, but... Total EU death!