@beardalaxy You do realize they could have released it partially. Selectively redact things. If they had incriminating stuff on Trump, and they wanted Trump gone (which we know there's plenty of people who do, including Republicans), they could have gotten the thing done.

@alyx Trump could redact his own name and release the files too. If the files are made up by them, why didn't they use the made up files to hurt him? Why did Trump directly say that they would work to release the epstein files in interviews (though perhaps not all of it) and made a huge stink out of already released info being PHASE 1 but now all of the sudden it just doesn't exist? Case closed?

My theory is that whether trump is on it or not, there are much bigger names on there and plenty from other countries too. So releasing it would cause utter chaos. So be it, I say.

@alyx Alternatively, none of it ever existed and we have just been gaslit and lied to about it this whole time up until now. So why would it be up until now? It doesn't add up. If there never were any files, we should be receiving an apology for lying that there were, but instead they're trying to divert our attention. Especially Trump.

@beardalaxy "Alternatively, none of it ever existed and we have just been gaslit and lied to about it this whole time up until now"
Pretty much this. People weren't so much lied to, but rather self-gaslit. People gaslit the hell out of themselves into being sure Epstein was blackmailing people, and that he was murdered in a spy movie fashion, even though we didn't have evidence for it. Just speculation.

But this wasn't restricted to the average people. The likes of Trump, Kash, etc., ended up believing the hype too. This is why they were so eager a few months ago, promising to release lists and whatnot, because they believed, just like everyone else, that all this magic bullet proof evidence existed, and waiting for them at the FBI. And the reason they're all so dejected right now, and want to avoid talking about it, is because they finally got to look over everything themselves, and realized they fucked up. That they were wrong, and promised something they couldn't deliver.

Have you seen Trump being gracious about being wrong? This is why we're not gonna receive an apology letter, cause the man can't stand being proven wrong.

Epstein probably still did more fucked up things than he got convicted for. But my bet right now is that the evidence is lacking. As for any potential co-conspirators, or clients, at best I imagine FBI has another flight-log type list. As in, a list of names that they can't prove were clients. A list of names with no context to it that can prove in a court of law that they committed crimes. In which case, not only are you at an investigatory dead end, but you can't even release such a list without being subjected to defamation lawsuits. Cause releasing such a list will still damage the reputation of those people in the public.

We could still talk about why the evidence is shit, and it could be because FBI didn't collect it properly years ago, or somebody destroyed it in the meantime. Who knows. But right now, this feels like the most likely scenario to me, that there's not much evidence to restart an investigation, and the evidence there is, doesn't fit with the theories the public created.

@alyx pam bondi literally said the files were on her desk though lol
but yes, the files were all completely fabricated by the democrats and so we don't care about them
but if the democrats fabricated them why didn't they even do anything with them
retarded arguments, retarded political bullshit

@beardalaxy
>pam bondi literally said the files were on her desk though

And RIGHT AFTER THAT, literally the next sentence, the interviewer asked if she saw anything noteworthy so far, and she responds "I don't know, I didn't look at it yet". Pam Bondi, more than anyone in that administration proves that they completely bought into all the conspiracy talk online, and they were completely clueless of what the FBI had or didn't have. And they kept running their mouth, making promises they thought they'd be able to keep, thinking they'd be heroes who get to uncover some deep dark evil secret that was hidden in a drawer. Up until right now, when they realized they fucked up, and they can't scrounge up anything noteworthy in the Epstein files.

I don't think democrats fabricated anything. That's Trump coping, because he thinks because the Steel dossier was fabricated against him, which turned out to be a gay fake nothing burger, so in his logic, now anything that turns out to be a nothing burger of no evidence must have also been democrats.
This isn't a matter of "fabricated". Epstein WAS an evil man. And I'm still sure he did plenty. This is a matter of someone, somewhere, didn't do their jobs, and didn't collect the evidence while it was possible to collect it, and now it's gone forever. Or worse, someone destroyed the evidence.
I don't think this is a matter of democrat or republican either. It's likely a matter of "deep state", FBI bureaucrats, that don't listen to elected officials as much as they listen to interests unknown to us. The democrats didn't do anything with whatever was left, because there wasn't enough left for them to use either. Simplest explanation.

Let me put it another way. Say the Mossad theory is true. Say Epstein did blackmail people on the orders of Mossad. Say FBI let him off with a slap on the wrist the first time around, on the orders of Mossad. Say Mossad intervened on his second arrest, to deny the public the full evidence when Epstein died years ago. Why wouldn't Mossad have FBI get rid of incriminating evidence back then? Why would Mossad wait until right now to prevent the client list or whatever to get released, and not make sure years ago that there was no more client list in the hands of US agencies?

This is the thing I'm trying to wake up people about. There have been assumptions everyone made, on zero evidence. Everyone assumed there was blackmail, based on rumor. Everyone assumed Epstein was assassinated, based on speculation. Everyone assumed FBI had all the evidence needed to show the blackmail, based on wishful thinking.

But what do you do, how do you react if you discover that most, if not all these assumptions turn out to be false? Right now I have zero faith that FBI has or had the evidence we want, I was always doubtful of the assassination theory (I personally believed Epstein was just allowed to kill himself, by disabling cameras and the guards taking a nap), and I don't see any reason to think people were actively blackmailed. I see it as more likely that he just sold girls to people to fuck, and made transactions without receipts, without paperwork, without a trail of evidence. Or if there ever was good evidence to convict the clients, FBI screwed us over years ago.

And now we have a bunch of fools in the administration, that believed the hype they helped spread, who are left holding the bag, because they couldn't help themselves but keep hyping it up.

What pisses me off the most about all of this, is that everyone has fallen in the same theory about why we're not getting anything released. "Oh, this proves Trump must be in on the conspiracy!!!"

I've only seen 2 good original arguments so far, and even those 2 people don't actually veer away from this theory.

First argument, from Tim Pool: the client list is so damaging, that releasing it would completely destroy ALL of US economy, so Trump and everyone decided they can't sabotage the country like that.

Second argument, from Vee: if Trump was on the list, if he knew he was involved with Epstein in such a way, why did he promise the release of documents in his campaign? The Epstein discussion was dying down. Him, and his administration picks, helped revive it. Why would he do that to himself if he knew he was on Epstein's client list?

I personally don't believe in Tim's argument, but at least he tried to think and came up with something slightly different. Everyone else... pure embarrassment as far as I'm concerned. I've seen NOBODY who actually tried to think a little bit more deeply, and try to consider the possibility that the conspiracy theories were wrong. Nobody tried to search for an explanation outside of the common conspiracy theories. Everyone, from the centrists to the right, followed the same hive mind.

I remember the days when the liberal left argued they were the free thinkers, and then they severely disappointed me a decade ago. Then the right-wing tried to pick up the label of free thinkers, only to disappoint me today.

@alyx if the files were never real to begin with, nobody is ever going to believe it unless there are actual apologies to the american people for misleading them, deliberately or otherwise, instead of this crazy attempt at subversion. it makes everyone look more guilty but they somehow don't understand that because they are too prideful to own up to the mistake. we are done with pointing fingers. no matter which way you spin it this is all a massive blunder.

@beardalaxy
>they are too prideful to own up to the mistake. we are done with pointing fingers. no matter which way you spin it this is all a massive blunder.
Yes and yes.