Alyx Hinata 🇹🇩🚫💀 @alyx@gameliberty.club

I remember another discussion touching on abortion I had a few years back. I think it was on Twitter.
I think it was with a lady, that stated that the responsible thing to do in case of an unwanted pregnancy was aborting it. My position was that abortion was running away from responsibility, and instead raising the baby was actually taking responsibility for your actions.
Of course the second I deemed abortion as an irresponsible act, she automatically assumed I was pro-life/anti-abortion.

Here's the thing, If you're gonna attempt mind reading, and think you can state my position for me, I will absolutely refuse to touch that topic for the rest of the conversation. I shall not suffer mind readers. I shall only make it clear that you are poorly inferring a position that I clearly did not state I hold. Even IF, by some universal luck, you happen to guess my exactly nuanced position (which has yet to happen in my life as far as I can remember), I shall not state anything further than that you attempted a mind read, until you present me a quote of me having previously stated that I hold that exact position.

This time around I didn't even come close to discussing abortion. All I really wanted to do is hopefully point out that people can use words differently, and there are minor inconsistencies in some arguments, both of which can leave people from both camps (and sometimes even people from the same camp) ending up talking past each other. But all some people were interested in was accusing others and mind reading their position.

There are some very bad arguments, on both sides. That's something I do agree on.There's literally a few arguments I keep hearing from pro-choice side that I hate more than every pro-life argument I've ever heard. They feel like more of an ear-rape to me than any "but muh god" I've ever heard. And the reason for that is because I feel that they're badly thought out and they bring any discussion to a standstill and potentially regress any progress made towards a mutual understanding. Why are those arguments bad? Because of the same kinds of minor inconsistencies and a difference in understanding of words.

What I wouldn't give for at least one side of this argument to do things right. I somehow manage to feel betrayed by both camps.
I dislike abortion almost as much as the average Christian, and while I wouldn't call all abortion murder, I certainly don't view any of it as a moral action to take.
Meanwhile, pro-choicers do try to be more scientific about it, and actually do think about some of the nuances that are important for real-life implementation of any law surrounding abortion.
But ultimately, both sides manage to screw things up, by taking things to one extreme or the other, completely missing other even more important nuances and usually completely ignoring what the opposition is trying to say, or how they would feel about the arguments being made.

So am I pro-choice/pro-abortion or pro-life/anti-abortion? Much like other discussions, the abortion topic is dominated by ideological morons. So I say, fuck both sides. I'm with neither of you. And if you don't like it, you can fuck off.

@critical @icedquinn @galena
You buy them from Cartman.

@icedquinn @galena
Abortion is murder or something... i don't know. I can't even right now.

@galena
My issue is when people make REALLY bad arguments and think they're argument is golden. I try to ease them into realizing there are flaws in them, so maybe then can improve them and maybe actually make them air-tight. I didn't seem to have any luck with that today.

I'm pretty sure I didn't respond to any of your posts. And yet you're still here.

@emilis
Dual booting? You need to change either the Windows or Linux way of handling UTC. Then they'll both show the same.

https://www.howtogeek.com/323390/how-to-fix-windows-and-linux-showing-different-times-when-dual-booting/

@emilis
I've found Windows does it eventually, when it feels like it. I think it has some time of day when it tries to do it, instead of on boot.

>but language is imprecise, you can't have precise definitions!
Maybe you can't. And if you can't be precise enough with the most critical terms in a discussion, then you no place taking part in that argument.

>just leave the discussion if you don't want to argue the way I want you to argue
Tried that. You fuckers are stalking my timeline already

@galena
The chad version is the one I personally HATE. The shit in my colon is an uninvited intruder into my body. Should we start advocating for shit abortions?

Personally I'm not a big fan of the chad version either, and I believe that in an ideal utopic society, there would be no abortion at all. But we don't live in an ideal society, and the "virgin" abortion argument is the only one so far I accept.

How many times should I repeat this? You can't give an argument, especially not one that your "opposition" would consider coherent, until you make sure both parties in the discussion start from the same premise (which includes the same definitions of words). Otherwise, of course people won't be able to follow along, and they'll just call your argument incoherent.

Fun fact for the few morons that exist on the internet: even when a person is declared dead, after how ever many hours of failed resuscitation attempts you want, most of the cells in that human body are in fact still alive. It's why organ transplants work. But we still call the person DEAD.

@Tepid_Tapir @critical @NEETzsche @Eris @Samhydeigger
>Firstly source, because what I consider dead is most certainly very dead
We're doing "very dead" now? Ok, I'm done. When even the definition of "dead" is apparently not clear, you know you've reached peak "impossible to discuss" territory.
I'm not even reading the rest of it. I'm too tired at this point...

"Very dead"... jesus fuck dude...

@Eris @critical @NEETzsche @Samhydeigger @Tepid_Tapir
Yes. I think that post was stupid and worthless.

@Eris @critical @NEETzsche @Samhydeigger @Tepid_Tapir
Is that a rhetorical question? I feel like that's a rhetorical question...

@icedquinn @critical @NEETzsche @Eris @Samhydeigger @Tepid_Tapir
God bless gingers! Each and every one of them is a wonderful being we must treasure the the fullest.

@critical @NEETzsche @Eris @Samhydeigger @Tepid_Tapir
I knew this wasn't gonna be civilized from his opening post. Not that pro-life/anti-abortion people can't be civilized and discuss in a civilized manner, it's just that I've noticed Eris around, and the topic is what it is.