Alyx Hinata 🇹🇩🚫💀 @alyx@gameliberty.club

@dave @Senator_Armstrong @LukeAlmighty
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@LaoBan
I found news on Fedora doing this, can't find shit on Manjaro or Arch taking the same approach, but I guess it did happen.

I'm contemplating building from AUR, but considering I have no guarantee it will enabled it again, or that it won't go away as an option there too, don't think I can do much.

This fucking sucks... I thought Linux was over having to deal with these fucking stunts, where you had to do backflips to use basic features.

@LaoBan
vainfo confirms I've got no h264 support system wide.

@LaoBan
That could make sense. I'm using Manjaro, and I just had a big system update at the same time as the Vivaldi one.

Which begs the question, why did they disable h264 in mesa then?

@dave @LukeAlmighty
A moral abhorrence never justifies another. An eye for an eye leaves the world blind.

@dave @LukeAlmighty
Maybe part of the issue here is that you don't completely understand everything that a genocide entails.

Doing a genocide includes killing those individuals that don't pose any threat to you, whether it's because they surrendered to you already, because they're too young, old or invalid to be capable of doing you harm, or because those individuals simply never meant to do you any harm.

This is why you can't argue self-defense here. Because genocide, by definition, includes killing people who aren't a threat to you, just because the demographic they're a part of, by choice or not, who aren't actually an imminent threat to you.

@dave @LukeAlmighty
If you want to argue, that during attempted capture, the antifa fight back, your life is in immediate threat, and while fighting back some of them die. That is indeed self-defense. But if more antifa members die than it is necessary to simply capture them and stop their activities, you've gone beyond what is justifiable.

And that is what a genocide is. It's killing much more people than it is necessary to stop a threat. No matter how radical or fanatical a movement is, people will surrender when it is clear they don't have a chance of winning a battle. If you kill those that try to surrender, that's genocide. If you don't kill them, then you stopped at only killing those that posed an immediate threat to you on the battle field.

@dave @LukeAlmighty
>killing members of antifa would be justified.
No. It's justified to capture them, put them to trial and imprison them. Nothing more.

@dave @LukeAlmighty
And the fact that Nazis vs Jews isn't a 1 person on 1 person confrontation (were you can argue self-defense) seems to be slipping out of your mind.

It's: a bunch of captured Jews, that would have been justified to kill in self-defense when they were being sent in the gas chambers; the nazis; and another bunch of Jews (and other nations) that were justified in pursuing a war to stop the genocide. But they were not justified in starting up their own genocide, because they were free men at that time, not in immediate thread of execution. Some of them were under a threat, which is why they were fighting a war, to stop the people threatening their lives.

And again, sometimes we are perfectly capable to stop crime without killing the criminal. Other times, the bastards will fight until the bitter end, and then, yes, you could end up killing them, justifiably so. But it is still preferable to try to disable them, than to shoot for the head, if that is an option.

But you can't start fighting back with the plan of genociding those that threatened you. That's not justified. And neither is it justified to kill those that surrender, which is what would happen in a genocide.

@dave @LukeAlmighty
Are you not aware of the typical nazi/neo-nazi/white supremacist arguments against Jews? Cause I tell you what, if for a second I thought any of it had any fucking merit... shit man.... there are some fucking serious accusations.

@LukeAlmighty @dave
This is why I've ended up hating the progressive left so fucking much. They've ended up mirroring the Nazis, that they claim they hate, so fucking much, that I honestly wonder if I'm the one taking crazy pills. That clip of the Joker is an adequate analogy of how modern left-wing political discourse is.... messing with my mind.

@dave @LukeAlmighty
First time I saw it, just I've got no clue what's up with that.

@LukeAlmighty @dave
Right, I forgot to say this initially. You can't argue against the fact that Nazis were trying to justify their actions by saying "muh juice are an existential threat to us".

@dave @LukeAlmighty
Again, there was justification to go to war against Nazis, and people did, not just Jews. And a lot of Nazis were killed in the process.

But genocide is a lot more than just war. In war, if a Nazi surrenders, you're obligated to capture and imprison them.
In a genocide, there is no such thing as surrendering.

@LukeAlmighty @dave
He's definitely the most intelligent of the breadtube. But his positions are still unreasonable the vast majority of the time.

@dave @LukeAlmighty
That's justification to go to war, to stop the process of genocide against Jews and other minorities. But that's not justification to genocide the German population, or even just the Nazi identifying population.

Unless literally EVERY nazi was pointing a gun at your head at the same time, you can't argue self-defense if you kill all of them.

Crime can be stopped without killing people, and today more than ever, society is against capital punishment. And considering the American left especially has a track record of arguing against the death penalty, seeing Destiny even come close to defending this position is mind blowing to me.

@dave @LukeAlmighty
Honestly, I think people have gone soft on Destiny because he defended Rittenhouse, and managed to get in a fight with the rest of breadtube. But before that, pretty much everyone right of Stalin was aware that his positions were extreme.

@dave @LukeAlmighty
Destiny clearly states: "at the very least, people who were a part of the SS, or nazi politicians". Problem is, if you were a jewish person, it wouldn't be a nazi politician that would have their gun pointed at you. It might not even be a proper SS member. It's gonna be a low level grunt, that acts on the orders of his higher-ups. So the way I see it, this being an argument of killing out of self-defense makes no sense.

Self-defense works when your life is in IMMEDIATE threat, not when "well, I'm convinced those people are gonna eventually come to kill me because of their ideology". That's not self-defense, that's acting in anticipation of a threat. It's Minority Report, without an actual clairvoyant.

What Destiny seems to argue, is that if we're convinced the Nazis are an existential threat, we are in the right to kill them.

Forgive me for not going too much farther into the stream. Maybe there are better arguments made later on in the discussion, but frankly both of them simply annoy me when they speak.

@nosleep
We live in the age where wokes were unironically trying to defend "2+2=5". This is not surprising.