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@Goalkeeper @DrRyanSkelton The annoying part, even beyond the "localizing" is that they aren't just making it "more understandable," they're erasing the culture behind the product which made all this popular to begin with AND adding their own "better" version. So many localizers talk about how boring and straightforward Japanese is.

And yes, if you learn nothing about the culture, it seems boring. It is a nuanced method of communication that can be expressed well without "localizing" it and filling it with memes and whatever these fanfic faggots think is funny.

They obviously have no respect for the art, they have no respect for the culture that produced it, and they imagine themselves as improving it by spicing up "bland" characters, ignoring that the cultural output being interesting and good is the only reason they have a job in the first place.

I hate it so much. I hate that most localizers don't even speak the language, let alone understand the culture. They need to be killed. It's such a brilliant and easy way to learn about a culture, learn about their quirks and world view and customs, and these faggots delight in shitting it up.

@beardalaxy Just had a crazy idea... now that she's indie, what are the chances chat can get her to spill the beans on Kronii's question?

@p @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @nyanide @sysrq @fba @Leyonhjelm
Oh, I absolutely agree that it is completely plausible. Which is why I do find the post highly interesting, and I keep reading it every time I encounter it. But plausible things don't always end up being true. So to me, it's one of those things I am cautious to completely believing it, or repeating it as factual, because it kinda feels too good to be true.

Thanks for clarifying the Israeli IP thing, and thanks for your response. I guess we're ultimately in agreement. It reads as absolutely plausible and possible, but we don't actually know.

@RatPoster
I don't usually wish this kind of thing on people but... how funny would it be if "they" killed "themselves" over Saba doubling down on the loli thing?

@beardalaxy I feel like I once came across a similar image, but with their Holo iterations.

@Alex @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @nyanide @sysrq @fba @Leyonhjelm

> "If we were wrong, these programs wouldn't be necessary"

I don't think it proves them right, I just think that it is hilarious.

I do think, though, that there is an inherent fragility to any organization that relies on repetitive propaganda and censorship for its continued existence; cults or governments or all those wignats that start repeating their slogans at you if you use one of the words.

I noticed something about, I forget, I think it was chess, but it was definitely not about race or politics, and I said on fedi that I had noticed it, and some wignat pops in and says "Noticing things makes you anti-semitic" and this was about the eighth time I'd heard that but this was so completely out of left field that I got pissed off at the guy, like they refuse to allow you to use some really common English-words without injecting their horseshit thought-stopping cliches.
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@p @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @nyanide @sysrq @fba @Leyonhjelm
Quick question, more out of genuine curiosity than anything else: how do we know that 4chan post is real? Like how do we know the buy actually had any insider information, and wasn't just making shit up? Or the less likely possibility, that he was saying the opposite of reality to lull people into a sense of security?

Didn't the semi-recent hack reveal that the mods were controlled, and something something Israeli IPs? In that kind of an environment, what exactly is it that make people trust this particular post?

"If we were wrong, these programs wouldn't be necessary"
I guess every single cult ever is entirely correct. After all, if the cults were wrong, their members wouldn't need deprogramming to escape them, right?

Calling Saba an indie vtuber feels as wrong as calling Valve an indie developer. Technically correct. But still feels wrong.

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@Ronnie21093 @rlier23 @beardalaxy
I saw someone coping, that Gura graduated because she was uncomfortable with the child-model... yeah... so much for that theory. And a few more theories were obliterated with this. They definitely pissed me off.

Yeah... so much for the theories that she left cause she was overwhelmed by how much attention she had on her, or issues with the model being too child-like. You don't show your bellybutton on the first stream if you don't want the attention.
I was right though. She'll never be able to escape her fans. If she does want less pressure, fewer fans, a smaller community... she won't ever get it. Especially not like this.

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I'll laugh my ass off if after the stream she takes a month long break.

@beardalaxy @alyx the internet uniquely permits brief acts of pretense from a large number of people to feel like continuous experience. Get a thousand people, encourage only 10 minutes of "trans validation" from each, and the aggregate is already 24 hours of trans validation. A thousand people pretending to be happy for 10 minutes each day is enough for a lively Discord of continuous happiness.

And 1000 is a small number, and continuous validation is not required, so the required brief pretense is so brief that even weak censorship and selection is enough for the illusion to work. You could have a bot in your house that, every time you take a dump, shares a novel and true snippet of conversation from the internet that supports the illusion that eating shit is a normal thing to want to do.

I'm sure that the same people who think propaganda wins wars already all think that algorithms and LLMs can completely conquer the world via this illusion. But, like with the pro-war propaganda from the last few years that had the extreme opposite result on me, these efforts are likely to be so over-the-top that the illusion breaks easy, and more people become alert to it.

@BasedLunatic Wasps pollinate figs. So if you're a big fan of figs (I hate them personally), say thanks I guess.

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