Alyx Hinata 🇹🇩🚫💀 @alyx@gameliberty.club

@Xenophon @hrast @book
In what sense do you mean "original"? And how is my statement implying that I believe I'm "original?

@Xenophon @book
ok

@book @Xenophon
I disagree. I can reject a diet cola but not because I hate it. I'm just not in the mood for cola or something. I disagree with your definition of hatred.

But I can admit that by your definition I would "hate" god. But that's not my definition, and it's not a common definition as far as I can tell.

@book @Xenophon @hrast
Firstly, I said I wouldn't show him respect. I think worship would be on an even higher step than that. But I can treat them as synonymous for now.

Secondly, there's a difference between "I wouldn't respect/worship him" and "he doesn't deserve to be worshiped". The first stems from my personal subjective opinion of god, the second is an objective statement. Whether the Christian god is objectively worthy of worship or not, is beyond my ability to judge. But again, I'll treat these 2 statements as synonymous for now.

I still disagree that me thinking he's unworthy of my respect/worship is proof of me fearing his potential existence. Considering how powerful god is claimed to be, if there was even an inkling of me thinking god could exist, wouldn't it be logical for me to respect him? Isn't that what the basis of Pascal's wager is?

@book @Xenophon
Lukewarm is not indifference either. And maybe this is a language barrier, but I understand "lukewarm" as being closer to love than hate.

@Xenophon @hrast @book
Not sure where it's implied that I fear the potential of god's existence.

@hrast @book @Xenophon
>You can still respect someone if you don't like them
True. I don't see respect and the love/hate spectrum being connected. You can probably even like someone to some degree but not actually respect them.

>respect is fundamentally incompatible with hatred.
Don't know how true that holds, but can't think of an example off the top of my head either.

>hatred is a choice which affects you more than what you're hating
Not sure it's a choice. It is an emotion, and emotions are generally irrational. There is some argument to be made about recognizing your emotions, and trying to steer yourself away from the hatred, but that's gonna be an after the fact thing. As in, you're gonna decide to stop focusing on something you hate after you realize it's doing you harm. But it's gonna be more of a diverging your focus away. Unless something fundamentally changes in your relationship with the person you hate, when/if you focus your attention again on them, the hatred is likely to return.

>and a persistent denial of belief
You can't really "deny" a belief away, the way Christians think Atheists do. I can't choose to belief in a god, the same way an anti-semite can't choose to believe Jews did nothing wrong. You either believe in something because that's how the evidence fits together in your mind, or you don't. There's not much choice in the matter.
You could say I can choose to pretend to believe in a god, and go to church, and all that. But it's ultimately a farce, which I find insulting not only to myself, but to true believers too.

@Xenophon @book
I mean... I was bored of this conversation before it really started. I'm not really interested in god debates. Haven't been for years.

As for how "hate" is not the same as something/someone earning your respect, I'm amazed this isn't obvious to people. We're not dealing with a love/hate dichotomy here. We're dealing with at least love/hate/indifferent. And that third option is where I mostly am in regard to the god concept these days.

Need I really say anything more? Surely you can understand that such a position is perfectly compatible with not respecting something/someone.

@book @Xenophon
I disagree.

@book @Xenophon
I disagree.

@book @Xenophon
You don't need to hate something or someone to be able to acknowledge they don't deserve your respect.

@Xenophon @book
Voldemort lives.

@book @Xenophon
Don't know what you wanted to show me. Nothing opens up for me if I click the link.

@Xenophon @book
>As I live
And that's where it all falls apart I'm afraid.

@book @Xenophon
Don't hate god. Just have no respect for the concept. I do have some respect for how a church can bring people together, but you don't really need a god for that. Just a well chosen common goal.

Battle of the edgy:
- you refuse to refer to a trans person by their preferred pronoun
- I refuse to capitalize god.

@Xenophon @book
he's not my creator. Besides, I wouldn't show him respect even if he was. Doesn't deserve it.

@Xenophon @book
god is a fringe weirdo.

@book
I'm not a Kanye fan at all.

@book
>black people are actually Jew
Oh no... oh no no no... THOSE lunatics got to him?! The
Black Hebrew Israelites?! I thought it was just general, weirdo, conspiracy theory anti-semites. You know, poa.st users. I never suspected the other fuckers.